Better Pathfinder Rewards

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Classic had no flying and less flight paths.

Most players would rather play Classic over current content.

When Classic goes live, it is expected to have more subscriptions than current content.

Why is everyone so eager to play a version of World of Warcraft where nobody can fly?

That is why IMO the best way to solve the issue to provide better Pathfinder rewards.

Pathfinder Part I
- Flight path taxi speed +200%
- Ferry taxi speed +100%
- Player can dismount taxi at any point during the fight path and parachute down.
Or why not just let us unlock flying right at max level once pathfinder part 1 is done? There's no need for a second part other than spite for the players.
11/10/2018 05:56 AMPosted by Vorador
Most people that want earlier flying just want to save time doing dailies, so why not help them achieve that with Pathfinder Part I?

Pathfinder Part I
- Flight path taxi speed +200%
- Ferry taxi speed +100%
- Player can dismount taxi at any point during the fight path and parachute down.


I love it when someone says "most people want X", when in fact the only thing they know for sure is that they themselves want X. The only thing I want from Pathfinder is flying.

Pathfinder is, in effect*, a punishment for not going along with the devs' decision to not implement flying in Draenor or ever again. So talking about better "rewards" from Pathfinder is meaningless, IMNSHO.

* -- Note weasel words, italicized for easier spotting.
11/10/2018 06:20 AMPosted by Eyrinjia
11/10/2018 05:56 AMPosted by Vorador
Most people that want earlier flying just want to save time doing dailies, so why not help them achieve that with Pathfinder Part I?

Pathfinder Part I
- Flight path taxi speed +200%
- Ferry taxi speed +100%
- Player can dismount taxi at any point during the fight path and parachute down.

I love it when someone says "most people want X", when in fact the only thing they know for sure is that they themselves want X. The only thing I want from Pathfinder is flying.

Pathfinder is, in effect*, a punishment for not going along with the devs' decision to not implement flying in Draenor or ever again. So talking about better "rewards" from Pathfinder is meaningless, IMNSHO.

* -- Note weasel words, italicized for easier spotting.

I'm not so sure that the goal wasn't to implement Pathfinder all along, rather than to remove flight.
I want earlier flying because it worked fine for four expansions at max level and I didn't have to jump through a laundry list of hoops of content I might otherwise not have done, just to get back a QoL function of the game I have "earned" numerous times before.

Sure, flight makes my game time more efficient. But the whole point is that I control the dragon, or gryphon, or whatever other flying mounts that I own and want to be able to use. Also, player-controlled flying is FUN. The only thing I want from Pathfinder is for it to be 404'ed into oblivion. It shouldn't even exist to begin with. I'm so sick of these devs taking things away and then drip feeding them back to us as "new content".
11/10/2018 06:09 AMPosted by Lucrend
Or why not just let us unlock flying right at max level once pathfinder part 1 is done? There's no need for a second part other than spite for the players.


Why would Blizzard want to spite players?

The problem is players want early flying and then as a result, they run out of content and complain about lack thereof.

So Blizzard makes enough content to make up for flying such as in Mists of Pandaria, but players complain of there being too much content.

The reason for that is because players are not upset over flying or content, they are upset over time required.

Casuals want shorter time requirements and non-casuals want a longer time requirement.
one would think that a business would realize that removing flying cost them money since WOD (5 millon + subs lost)

Instead of being petty and vindictive bliz could remove all the acromony by just making pathfinder one part done as soon as you hit max level and retroactive to level 60.

by removing the flying issue from contention they avoid all the gripes and have happier customers.

It has always been true that anyone with flying could land and ride ground mounts or flight paths if that was there thing. Those flying don't mind.

Mostly it is a mix of bliz petty vindictiveness because they didn't get to stick what they wanted to the players and padding MAU numbers and subs some way in their mind even though many people just leave the game if my observations in game are to be believed.

There seems to be a certain segment of the players who suffer extreme schadenfreude illness also.
11/10/2018 06:54 AMPosted by Arrienne
I want earlier flying because it worked fine for four expansions at max level and I didn't have to jump through a laundry list of hoops of content I might otherwise not have done, just to get back a QoL function of the game I have "earned" numerous times before.

11/10/2018 06:09 AMPosted by Lucrend
Or why not just let us unlock flying right at max level once pathfinder part 1 is done? There's no need for a second part other than spite for the players.

11/10/2018 07:49 AMPosted by Maenyc
one would think that a business would realize that removing flying cost them money since WOD (5 millon + subs lost)


Classic had no flying and less flight paths.

Most players would rather play Classic over current content.

When Classic goes live, it is expected to have more subscriptions than current content.

Explain, what's going on here?

Why is everyone so eager to play a version of World of Warcraft where nobody can fly.
You're just making up the numbers.

Players want flying, Blizzard wants to make the game take more time without adding content, Pathfinder was a compromise between what players want and what players don't want.
“Most” people concerned with classic are either A) nostalgic or B) never played and interested in it.

Flying has no bearings on Classic. But good try

Edit: And Classic has no bearings on flying
Crickets
Classic had no flying and less flight paths.

Most players would rather play Classic over current content.

When Classic goes live, it is expected to have more subscriptions than current content.

Why is everyone so eager to play a version of World of Warcraft where nobody can fly?

That is why IMO the best way to solve the issue to provide better Pathfinder rewards.

Pathfinder Part I
- Flight path taxi speed +200%
- Ferry taxi speed +100%
- Player can dismount taxi at any point during the fight path and parachute down.


By whom?
11/10/2018 05:56 AMPosted by Vorador
Most players would rather play Classic over current content.
hahahahahahaha
Many players are lazy, and the ones that take breaks then return to the game don't want to commit to Part1 or Part2 as other players that play continually, and thus are the ones that adher to the "it worked for X expansions, why can't we just buy flying?"

Then came the Compromise, and so we have Pathfinder which works well albeit is a bit longwinded before fully realized, but all your alts get flying! If you play the game, there isn't any reason that your alts don't get to fly in all the non-current zones.

Classic is not Vanilla, it will be a different game with several QoL features and of course, everyone knows the content thanks to 14y of knowledge, so don't expect the same experience if you played Vanilla.. so remove those rose-tinted glasses now!

Also, everyone has addons now, so expect tons of those, especially DBM, etc.
11/10/2018 05:56 AMPosted by Vorador
Classic had no flying and less flight paths.

Most players would rather play Classic over current content.

When Classic goes live, it is expected to have more subscriptions than current content.

Why is everyone so eager to play a version of World of Warcraft where nobody can fly?

That is why IMO the best way to solve the issue to provide better Pathfinder rewards.

Pathfinder Part I
- Flight path taxi speed +200%
- Ferry taxi speed +100%
- Player can dismount taxi at any point during the fight path and parachute down.

Most players would not prefer to play Classic. Dunno where you get that idea.

There wasn't anything wrong with flight the way it was for 10 years before C Team took it away. Bring back flight at max level for gold.
11/10/2018 07:22 AMPosted by Vorador
The problem is players want early flying and then as a result, they run out of content and complain about lack thereof.


People are complaining about lack of content NOW. Flying would make getting around easier and more enjoyable, encouraging people to do more things.

11/10/2018 07:22 AMPosted by Vorador
The reason for that is because players are not upset over flying or content, they are upset over time required.


Players are upset at being obscenely time-gated for flying. Don't try to overcomplicate an extremely simple issue.
11/10/2018 07:22 AMPosted by Vorador
11/10/2018 06:09 AMPosted by Lucrend
Or why not just let us unlock flying right at max level once pathfinder part 1 is done? There's no need for a second part other than spite for the players.


Why would Blizzard want to spite players?

The problem is players want early flying and then as a result, they run out of content and complain about lack thereof.

So Blizzard makes enough content to make up for flying such as in Mists of Pandaria, but players complain of there being too much content.

The reason for that is because players are not upset over flying or content, they are upset over time required.

Casuals want shorter time requirements and non-casuals want a longer time requirement.


Flying was available at max level for 8 years and 4 expansions. It was a selling point and unique to MMOs. Flying was embraced when wow had the highest subs in history.

It was never an issue until these current devs made it an issue.
11/10/2018 07:54 AMPosted by Vorador
11/10/2018 06:54 AMPosted by Arrienne
I want earlier flying because it worked fine for four expansions at max level and I didn't have to jump through a laundry list of hoops of content I might otherwise not have done, just to get back a QoL function of the game I have "earned" numerous times before.

11/10/2018 06:09 AMPosted by Lucrend
Or why not just let us unlock flying right at max level once pathfinder part 1 is done? There's no need for a second part other than spite for the players.

11/10/2018 07:49 AMPosted by Maenyc
one would think that a business would realize that removing flying cost them money since WOD (5 millon + subs lost)


Classic had no flying and less flight paths.

Most players would rather play Classic over current content.

When Classic goes live, it is expected to have more subscriptions than current content.

Explain, what's going on here?

Why is everyone so eager to play a version of World of Warcraft where nobody can fly.


Where are your statistics that prove "most players would rather play classic"? Oh that's right you pulled them from your rear.
11/10/2018 07:54 AMPosted by Vorador
Most players would rather play Classic over current content.

When Classic goes live, it is expected to have more subscriptions than current content.


There is no reason to believe either of those things.

And trust me, for the time I enjoyed Classic it was very much in spite of having no flying and less flight paths. Travel was absolutely awful in Classic. I rolled this mage just to help escape some of the drudgery with portals.

The arrival of BC and flying was a godsend.

And Pathfinder part one should reward flying. The gating is nothing but spite and stupidity.
11/10/2018 05:56 AMPosted by Vorador


Most players would rather play Classic over current content.


I'm pretty sure that is not true.

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