Saurfang the Traitor

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11/02/2018 02:55 PMPosted by Grezik
11/02/2018 02:51 PMPosted by Elinaeth
she is a threat to all of azeroth at this point.


That's not true.
She's raising dead night elves and has even gone against her word and is raising blood elves. She's a threat to everyone at this point in time.
11/02/2018 02:45 PMPosted by Ralzeeja
Lets burn this bish down to the ground.


Too soon, man. It's not even done smoldering yet.
11/02/2018 02:58 PMPosted by Tabenja
All these !@#$%^-*!iacs are hilarious. Being a "traitor" isn't always a bad thing, being a mindless boob who does everything their told for the sake of being loyal is.

I dont do it for loyalty i do it because i enjoy killing alliance...tell me you've never killed an NPC in a city ...those are innocents if you think about it we've all done it and i love it Sylvanas #1
We the horde are like the thieves guild in skyrim "WE CLEAN OUR DIRTY CLOTHES AT HOME" so if saurfang had a problem with it he should have standed up and fight with honor in a makgora.

No warchief has declined one of those an being not honorable in that will lead her to lose their status as warchief, undignified of leading.

But now he lets the alliance do the dirty job he couldnt do. Next time saurfang must be an orc like like Orgrim Doomhammer or blackhand, accept its fate and fight with honor.
lol talk about honor.

"Horde is all I have" blah blah.

Voljin picked her. She's ur leader. do as u're ordered. if you're not happy with her decisions, sit out. You value honor so much, now ure siding with A to over take your beloved H's leader. No one knows why voljin chose her, now u wanna "stop" her by siding with A is like spitting on voljin's face.

honor? go to pandaria and meditate with dem pandas to find ur inner peace, old soldier.
11/02/2018 02:35 PMPosted by Holsteiner
11/02/2018 02:32 PMPosted by Drillz
Im sorry but i've played horde since 2 weeks after this game came out


If this is true, you're way too old to be taking WoW's silly lore this seriously.
11/02/2018 03:17 PMPosted by Sanndy
No warchief has declined one of those an being not honorable in that will lead her to lose their status as warchief, undignified of leading.
She'd be the first to tell a challenger to bugger off, and then she'd tell everyone to get back to work and scream "FOR THE HORDE" a few times to make them get back in line.

Or maybe Saurfang knows he can't beat her which is why he was counting on Anduin to do it, and would rather wear that dishonor for the sake of the Horde than fight and die for nothing.

What happened to those holy chains you used to subdue a dreadlord by yourself, Anduin? Why couldn't you do that to keep a banshee from REEEEEing to freedom?

11/02/2018 03:19 PMPosted by Kîrä
Voljin picked her. She's ur leader. do as u're ordered. if you're not happy with her decisions, sit out. You value honor so much, now ure siding with A to over take your beloved H's leader. No one knows why voljin chose her, now u wanna "stop" her by siding with A is like spitting on voljin's face.
Except it's revealed later that Vol'jin's spirit was tricked into getting her in the Warchief seat because none of the Loa know what the heck he's talking about when he asks them about his vision, and he goes around (or rather, has the player go around) asking Bwonsamdi, Eyir, and even the Lich King what the heck is going on.
Saurfang is an orc of immense personal honour, and he puts the good of the Horde and his own sense of honor above his own life and how others look at him.

Reminds me a bit of a man named Tirion Fordring.

People said he was a traitor to the Alliance and the Light because he helped an old orc called Eitrigg, and considered him a friend. They tried to tear the Light from him, but the Light had other ideas. He was a great, honorable man. Just as Varok is a great, honorable orc.
The Fang just ruined his honor for good for ever..
Coward traitor.
So what about Voljin in MoP?

He lead a rebellion and worked with the Alliance against Garrosh

And so did all the Horde players

Does that make everyone from the Horde post-MoP traitors? We turned against Garrosh for honor just like what Saurfang is doing
#noshouldersforoldsoldiers Eat a poop OP.
11/02/2018 02:41 PMPosted by Drillz
Wpvp with 3 factions would be a lot more fun


Only for those who want wpvp! From what I see today, many are not at all interested in wpvp, after it was allowed to disable pvp mode!

And a 3rd faction, formed by members of the horde and alliance, will never happen because I do not see that ally members would lower themselves, in partnership with those who already attacked them so much, for so long and without a punishment the height of their transgressions!
11/02/2018 02:37 PMPosted by Drillz
Sorry you feel like you cant enjoy things in your life anymore in your 20s GL to you in life try making a statement on the topic and forming logical opinions on game which is what people use forums for


I'm actually in my 40's, scooter. Even when I was in my 20's, though, I had my act together enough not to get all bent out of shape over some make-believe characters in a trite video game storyline. Maybe you need to get a girlfriend.
11/02/2018 03:53 PMPosted by Ghazgkul
So what about Voljin in MoP?

He lead a rebellion and worked with the Alliance against Garrosh

And so did all the Horde players

Does that make everyone from the Horde post-MoP traitors? We turned against Garrosh for honor just like what Saurfang is doing


The difference being that we never left the Horde, Garrosh booted all non-orcs out and flat out created a new True Horde. Main point being, Vol'jin and the players never had a choice to stay. It wasn't so much a rebellion as a reclamation, much like what we did to the troll starter area during Cataclysm.

Also Vol'jin had a plan, gathered support and managed the whole thing. Saurfang just stared into the fire and left alone. Now after gaining Alliance support he suddenly wants to create a new faction?

Varok here wilfully defied orders to kill Malfurion (he even prevents the PC from doing it iirc.), despite it being his own damn fault for striking from the back in the first place (as though that mattered in the slightest when an assailant was about to murder your liege, smh), leaving Sylvanas with Plan B: burning Teldrassil. Still he takes no responsibility for the turn of events, squarely placing all blame on Sylvanas.

Later, prior to the Siege of Lordaeron, which was again an indirect outcome of HIS OWN INACTION, he tries to desert, a crime punishable by death and dishonor. Remember the quest to escort Alliance deserters back to the Alliance from Warsong Hold in Borean Tundra? That was what Saurfang was planning to do. Halfway through the battle, he loses his nerve and gives himself up, instead of holding to heart the old orcish words "Lok'Tar Ogar" - Victory or Death - he chooses surrender and hopes the young boy would finish his Warchief off for him. THIS particular wish of his would also have, as a matter of consequence, also finish off the rest of the Horde leadership, including Lor'themar AND Baine. It's also an incredibly simplistic, short-sighted, naive and unrealistic wish. Did he truly think Sylvanas wouldn't have a back-up plan, and then a back-up plan for the back-up plan? Besides, even if they do manage to kill her, she still does have Valkyrs.

I don't like what they've done to Saurfang. He was wise, a survivor, an outspoken warrior with backbone, unafraid to stand up to authority and fight for what he believed in. Now, he's suddenly a weak snivelling craven old fool who's taken to dramatic emo acts like running away from home in the middle of the night, and running to the other little boys hoping they'd help him with his parents who OBVIOUSLY suck AND ARE LAME and don't understand him at all. He just wants someone who can understand him, after all.

"Honor" or "the Horde" for this new Saurfang is probably the last priority here.
I hope the banshee queen metes out proper justice on this traitor. Saurfang, how you have fallen. If you are on team Saurfang, you might as well faction change and join the filthy Alliance.
That conniving untrustworthy sack of garbage. He is trying to overthrow the rightful Warchief. The alliance can keep that traitor, the horde will be better without him.
I played the Alliance battle for Undercity, Saurfang was eager to die, Anduin talked him out of it. Saurfang has numerous Horde victories under his belt, like the Northrend campaign, while it seems the only victory we'll get out of this expansion is an alliance with the Zandalari. Saurfang is simply more valuable as a military leader than Sylvannis is.
Lets be honest.. if Saurfang tried to call Mak'gora, Sylvanas would have had him killed before the fight even happened.
Ever heard the statement "The Enemy of my Enemy is my Friend"?

I've said it before, and I'll say it again - as long as the Genocidal Banshee dies, I'm perfectly open to working with the Blue and Gold. If SI:7 and Anduin think the same, I'm not going to nitpick.

I've never had any factional dislike for the Alliance. Mostly because it's artificial and forced to begin with. But the Forsaken? They were a mistake to include in the Horde to begin with. Said so back in the old days, and I say so now.
11/02/2018 03:07 PMPosted by Arkimus
She's raising dead night elves and has even gone against her word and is raising blood elves. She's a threat to everyone at this point in time.


She never gave her word. Lor'themar told her not to so she asked what about the Alliance and he didn't give a damn.

Also in this new lore the Valks only raise the willing spirits. They talk about it in Darkshore.

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