When you say "vocal minority"....

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I don't think people realize what they are saying when they respond in a thread and state that the complaint is just the "vocal minority".

If the complaints on the forums only represent the vocal minority, then the following would all be true:

A *MAJORITY* of the players:

1) Believe Pathfinder is a good thing.
2) Believe RNG is being used properly.
3) Believe class balance is just fine.
4) Believe factions are properly balanced with sharding.
5) Believe that pruning has been good for the game.
6) Believe professions are fine.

etc. etc.

So the next time you read a negative post, or one that is complaining about something in the game....and you AGREE with it..... remember that you are just in the vocal minority and that most players think you're wrong.
If being the vocal minority is wrong, I don't wanna be right.
Jesus man, your nose is so far up Blizzard's you know what. Everyone who thinks all those things you listed are bad already quit the game, because of how awful it is.
Someone should start a guild called <Vocal Minority>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gSQg1i_q2g
1) Believe Pathfinder is a good thing. (yes)
2) Believe RNG is being used properly. (yes)
3) Believe class balance is just fine. (mostly)
4) Believe factions are properly balanced with sharding. (no)
5) Believe that pruning has been good for the game. (mostly)
6) Believe professions are fine. (don't care)

Assuming everyone has the same opinions is a fallacy.
I don't think people realize what they are saying when they respond in a thread and state that the complaint is just the "vocal minority".

If the complaints on the forums only represent the vocal minority, then the following would all be true:

A *MAJORITY* of the players:

1) Believe Pathfinder is a good thing.
2) Believe RNG is being used properly.
3) Believe class balance is just fine.
4) Believe factions are properly balanced with sharding.
5) Believe that pruning has been good for the game.
6) Believe professions are fine.


etc. etc.

So the next time you read a negative post, or one that is complaining about something in the game....and you AGREE with it..... remember that you are just in the vocal minority and that most players think you're wrong.

Pro tip bruh... The forums in general are the vocal minority.

Most people don't even look at the forums much less read these threads or post an opinion. The 'Majority' of people posting in any given forum are there because they are unhappy. The vast majority of people who are content with the game are playing and likely are blissfully unaware that these are even problems... because they don't care.
10/27/2018 07:33 AMPosted by Onorlus
the complaint is just the "vocal minority".
The fact is, is that most wow players will not stick around and because of that. Most of them don't even bother to complain and just end their subscriptions or just uninstall the game and go play other games. Those that are complaining and making posts here are just the players that care enough to make this game enjoyable. Meanwhile most just don't care enough anymore and move on.

WoW is an old game and many will not really lose much sleep if the game just shuts down for good. I know a good portion of my friends who are warcraft fans wont.
10/27/2018 07:33 AMPosted by Onorlus
I don't think people realize what they are saying when they respond in a thread and state that the complaint is just the "vocal minority".

If the complaints on the forums only represent the vocal minority, then the following would all be true:

A *MAJORITY* of the players:

1) Believe Pathfinder is a good thing.
2) Believe RNG is being used properly.
3) Believe class balance is just fine.
4) Believe factions are properly balanced with sharding.
5) Believe that pruning has been good for the game.
6) Believe professions are fine.

etc. etc.

So the next time you read a negative post, or one that is complaining about something in the game....and you AGREE with it..... remember that you are just in the vocal minority and that most players think you're wrong.


Let me give a different view.

If you believe that the majority of complaints are how the majority of actual players feel:

1. You get Cata dungeons (players complained about faceroll dungeons).
2. You get WoD lack of dailies (because players hated MoP dailies, or dailies in general).
3. You get stripped down professions because people *don't have time* to do something that is necessary for raiding.

Now, no one loved WoD and its lack of open world content. So now you have:

1. Majority of players hate lack of content

And Cata saw a drastic dropoff of people going to dungeons, because the non-vocal players who had been happy with WotLK's end game - for them - no longer felt comfortable in dungeons.

So.

*If* you believe that your on-line reading *is* the majority, you make decisions that maybe - just maybe - aren't good for the overall game.

Which means you don't know. You don't know which complaints are majority of players, and which are not. If you decide that they are the majority of players, and you *get it wrong*, you cause more damage.

How, then, do you intelligently decide? You wait. You wait to see how many different places are saying what the forums - any forums - are saying. Because in truth, you've made decisions based on those before, and discovered that they weren't, in fact true for the actual majority.

And unfortunately, it does mean that people who are raging get ragier. Feel ignored. But once you've been burned by the "certainty" that the majority feel a certain way - and you've acted on it before, and it hasn't turned out well - you need to gather more data.
You could agree with all or none of those points and never post about it and would, by definition of the phrase, still be part of the silent majority.

It's not that a minority of players feel a certain way and are therefore vocal about it, just that those who are vocal are mathematically a minority of the total playerbase.
This.

1) Believe Pathfinder is a good thing.
2) Believe RNG is being used properly.
3) Believe class balance is just fine.
4) Believe factions are properly balanced with sharding.
5) Believe that pruning has been good for the game.
6) Believe professions are fine.

Is about right on the money for what is not working.
More often than not the cry of 'vocal minority' is a strawman to deflect an argument the person doesn't agree with.
10/27/2018 07:33 AMPosted by Onorlus
that the complaint is just the "vocal minority".
Let me also add one more example.

Ion said, in an interview about both flight (never coming back), and flight (coming back with pathfinder), that there was a poll on MMO-champion and a large majority hated flight.

He then decided that a majority of people - because of on-line criticisms - were against flight. Which meant... they could leave it out of dev time and expense. Which meant they could cancel it.

That did not work out well for him. 3 people I know cancelled their subs - and they don't go to reddit or twitter or the forums. Word just went through Trade chat and general - everywhere. Those people did not complain. They didn't come here and demand flight. They just ... decided that the game wouldn't be what it had once been for them, and quit.

Look, it's pretty clear - to me - that Azerite is not a popular thing. It's clear to me that removing Tier was not a good idea for the health of raiding overall (and I don't raid and haven't had tier since WotLK and Cata, where we had justice/valor badges).

But there's a danger in assuming that anger here is reflected in the entire playerbase up front. There's a danger in assuming that the "majority" here is the majority, period. And again, once you've been burned by that a couple of times, you become much, much more cautious.
10/27/2018 07:58 AMPosted by Felicite
Ion said, in an interview about both flight (never coming back), and flight (coming back with pathfinder), that there was a poll on MMO-champion and a large majority hated flight.
For those that are wondering what they are referring to. This was a poll back in december of 2014, literally a month into WoD. 149,595 were against flying while 72,941 were for flying.
https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1650841-Hotfixes-for-December-5th-No-Flying-Poll-DLC-467
We cannot make assumptions about what the players who don't come here to the forums think about the game. Not coming to the forums is not some agreement on what is good or bad. They don't come to the forums, they don't say what they do/don't like, so at the end of the day we don't know.

Just because someone doesn't come to the forums to complain doesn't mean they like Pathfinder. It also doesn't mean they hate Pathfinder. Just because someone doesn't come to the forums doesn't mean they think Azerite gear is the greatest thing since sliced bread. Just because a player doesn't come to the forums doesn't mean they hate Azerite gear with every fiber of their being.

They don't come to the forums, so we don't know what their opinion is.

People need to stop being concerned about majority thinks this or minority thinks that. This isn't about who has the 'right' or 'wrong' opinion or whose opinion is 'validated' or 'right' because of how many players do or don't agree with it.

If you don't like the game, say you don't like the game. But don't stop there. Say why, specifically, you don't like the game. Don't stop there, either. Give ideas of what you think can be done to improve the things you don't like. It is then Blizzard's job to figure out what to do with that feedback. They won't act on every bit of feedback, they won't agree with everything, they won't change things specifically in the ways that players tell them to and we won't always like what they decide to do.

But if we do our part (provide actual, specific, actionable feedback) then the rest is up to Blizzard.
10/27/2018 07:46 AMPosted by Giðra
Pro tip bruh... The forums in general are the vocal minority.

Most people don't even look at the forums much less read these threads or post an opinion. The 'Majority' of people posting in any given forum are there because they are unhappy. The vast majority of people who are content with the game are playing and likely are blissfully unaware that these are even problems... because they don't care.


Agree here. Millions of players, maybe a few hundred ever post on the forums. Of those only a fraction have high "post counts". And of those only a fraction complain about whatever in the game is ruining their lives. Everyone else doesn't care.
It used to be we didn't care, truth wasn't about majority/minority.

Now people want to claim that "I'm the majority" flag, to try and push their agenda.
It's fine to like the game and all, but Blizzard Defenders are starting to rely on increasingly bizarre conspiracy theories to explain why BfA gets such a bad rap: vocal minorities, review bombs, etc.

Is it that hard to believe that a lot of people don't like an expansion?
10/27/2018 09:11 AMPosted by Enekie
Blizzard Defenders are starting to rely on increasingly bizarre conspiracy theories

Well maybe in a thousand years they'll get as tinfoily as the people who call "shill!" at every poster who doesn't agree with them.

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