Ashvane Shouldn't Have Surrendered.

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I watched the "Jaina summons the fleet on top of Ashvane" cinema again, and honestly, I think Ashvane should have fought back.

-Her ships had her very best Azurite canons and ammunition on them, which have been shown to easily obliterate large stone castles. Yeah, they were outmatched in size and ship quality, but the Proudmoore fleet had NO idea what Azurite weapons could do to them.
-She knew her and probably most of her pirate fleet were going to be executed if caught. Why not fight?
-Tandred and his men look pretty rough in that scene, and are probably not in top form after weeks/months/years trapped in Stormsong's psudeo-ocean trap.

https://youtu.be/Cooy366rAXQ?t=76
Also if you watch the way the boats were moving and their velocity, the Kul'tiran boats were all about to start colliding into each other.
Tandred's got the drop on them, they aren't armored in Azerite, and they have ship magazines full of Azerite munitions.

They'd explode in the first broadside, and for what? Ashvane wanted to rule, not go up in a pyre. Certain death versus probable execution. And that's if her crew was loyal enough not to just surrender on their own.

At best, they'd take out or damage a ship or two before they went boom.
ashvane's ships would have to turn around, while the kul'tiran ships can start to destroy them with their chase cannons
Add to all that, to the majority of Kul’tirans they thought the fleet was lost. It would have been like seeing a ghost so to speak in terms of shock.
A good thought but Ashvane’s ‘crew’ were pirates. The self same pirates, who if you put on a hat, they’ll betray their pirate comrades in the Freehold dungeon.

Counter is the whole Kul Tiran fleet are marines.

The pirates, as well as several mercenaries, were only ‘loyal’ to Ashvane because she supplied them with gold and easy targets, being Kul Tiras in such a sorry state. Kul Tiras’ pirate are pretty legitimate in their reasoning, they only want an easy fight. Fighting the Proudmoore fleet isn’t an easy target and is more risky than it’s worth.

If she did decide to fight, I’m pretty sure the crew would’ve immediately become mutineers and that’s a guaranteed death.
10/29/2018 02:27 PMPosted by Zamari
Tandred's got the drop on them, they aren't armored in Azerite, and they have ship magazines full of Azerite munitions.

They'd explode in the first broadside, and for what?
Arguably, there never would be a broadside. Ashvane's fleet would fire first, since the KT fleet wouldn't expect her smaller boats to take "suicidal" action. But it wouldn't be suicidal, because even though her ships are glass cannons, that cannon is absurdly Mcguffin strong.
10/30/2018 08:19 AMPosted by Hahahahahaha
10/29/2018 02:27 PMPosted by Zamari
Tandred's got the drop on them, they aren't armored in Azerite, and they have ship magazines full of Azerite munitions.

They'd explode in the first broadside, and for what?
Arguably, there never would be a broadside. Ashvane's fleet would fire first, since the KT fleet wouldn't expect her smaller boats to take "suicidal" action. But it wouldn't be suicidal, because even though her ships are glass cannons, that cannon is absurdly Mcguffin strong.


...well, that's just not practical. The KT fleet would shoot as soon as they were able, not just hold back on the off chance a pirate fleet would just surrender.

Surrender was the logical choice, not to be blown to bits.
But then, who would the Horde break out of Tol Dagor?
It was anti-climatic agreed, I would have loved to see Tandred's fleet open up on them. To be fair Ashvane had one other advantage that Tandred would have to deal with: Boralus was the immediate target beyond her fleet. Any stray shots could have hurt their own.
10/30/2018 08:19 AMPosted by Hahahahahaha
10/29/2018 02:27 PMPosted by Zamari
Tandred's got the drop on them, they aren't armored in Azerite, and they have ship magazines full of Azerite munitions.

They'd explode in the first broadside, and for what?
Arguably, there never would be a broadside. Ashvane's fleet would fire first, since the KT fleet wouldn't expect her smaller boats to take "suicidal" action. But it wouldn't be suicidal, because even though her ships are glass cannons, that cannon is absurdly Mcguffin strong.


So what? She starts fighting back with her smaller fleet and gets wiped out. Way to get all the power you want as a corpse sinking beneath the waves. You also have to take in account the Kul Tiran fleet has an advantage of their own. If you played through the storyline, you'd know the fleet has Tidesages aboard each and every ship. Those same priests power the ships with creating wind in the sails, among other things. Understand then, that some ragtag pirate crewed ship won't be as fast or as maneuverable.
That assume Azerite can destroy their ships easily. The Kul Tiran ships are made with blessed Storm Silver Ore. So plot armor vs plot armor.
10/30/2018 02:00 PMPosted by Zerde
That assume Azerite can destroy their ships easily. The Kul Tiran ships are made with blessed Storm Silver Ore. So plot armor vs plot armor.
Zandalari ships are made of cardboard and dinosaur poop, but I assume they have exactly equal defense to a Kul Tiras ship.
10/30/2018 02:06 PMPosted by Hahahahahaha
And Zandalari ships are made of baslawood and dinosaur poop, but I assume they are equivalent power levels.
Dinosaur sh*t is the TRUE Azerite.
The Kul Tiran fleet greatly outnumbered the more potently armed Ashvane fleet.

The Kul Tiran fleet had a much more favorable concave formation to attack the Ashvane fleet.

The Ashvane fleet would've needed to turn about to bring ALL their guns on the Kul Tiran fleet. Several of their broadsides were facing fellow Ashvane ships.

The Kul Tiran fleet closing in on the Ashvane fleet meant their space to maneuver to bring all their guns to bear on the enemy was rapidly shrinking.

The Kul Tiran fleet is in a much better position to open up volleys with forward facing cannons.

The Ashvane fleet has no noticeable rear cannons.

Kul Tiran ships are much more powerful than Ashvane's pirate armada. They'd have no trouble ramming them.

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In conclusion, facing the Kul Tiran fleet was a guaranteed death. The advantages going to them just outnumber what the Azerite weaponry provide. Facing Katherine, a childhood friend of Priscilla's, is not. Even considering her treason, remember that Katherine did just pardon her daughter of treason as well. The chances of survival that way are slim, but there are chances.

And wouldn't you know it, she'll survive just long enough to get a rescue from the Horde.
Man, a thread like that demands a severe lack of knowledge in naval combat.
I agree. She should have gone down fighting.

So the Forsaken could raise her in the next patch.
10/30/2018 06:39 PMPosted by Vespero
I agree. She should have gone down fighting.

So the Forsaken could raise her in the next patch.


Meh, she is already joining you guys.

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