Why do people hate LFR?

General Discussion
Prev 1 2 3 9 Next
11/02/2018 03:28 PMPosted by Bangnfire
see endgame content, don't feel like doing harder difficulty because already experienced end game content. Got lucky and have full 385 ilvl gear besides azerite armor/weapon....... Why do anything else?


...what??

pls show me a full LFR raider who is "full 385 ilvl gear", please.
LFR replaced a lot of gear from other sources, like crafted gear.

Get rid of LFR and bring back good crafted gear.
Short answer, WoW players hate every !@#$%^- thing.
We love LFR.

Only a few silly elitists hate it, though it has nothing to do with them at ALL!

Them hating LFR, would be like me hating Mythic +; It is content I DON'T EVEN DO, so why would I CARE?

11/02/2018 02:57 PMPosted by Dùbbs
because it contributes NOT ONLY to the skillessness of the player base, but also trains them to be lazy, ignore mechanics, and kick without reason.


No, that is who I AM (except for the kicking part.) I AM skillless, which is WHY I would be in LFR. I am LAZY, about that content, I probably would ignore mechanics (I'm just not going to pour of "strategy pages" from other other kids who play the game, so I can no how to do stuff.) The most I'll do is use the DBM add on and try to do what it says, getting out of goop or junk.

Some of you seem to have things backwards, people are not doing LFR because they don't want to try harder stuff. They are doing LFR because they are LEFT OUT of harder stuff, unable to do it.

"Git Gud", only works on paper.
Because 'elite' players think ilvl = skill....while they forget that:

the top raid has already been beaten by lesser geared people

and the game has been beaten by people in iron man (well leveling to 120)

So it's just a bunch of entitled people who do not value someone elses fun...if you don't like LFR, then don't do it...why should the dev's delete something that's fun? It's not hurting anything but a small vocal group of elite egos.
11/02/2018 02:54 PMPosted by Munard
Honestly asking. Im not trying to troll or make fun of anyone. I see people complain about it all the time. Isnt it better to have something like that? It saves you time of trying to form a party all day to enter a raid, also if you dont like it you can always just make a premade group method? I dont see the huge negatives people make it out to be. It gives people the chance to find a raid group that dont have lots of time to waste looking for a group. Why does it bother you if someone clicks LFR to enter a raid? Last time i check they were not instant joins either


I don't hate LFR. I like that there are options for people. I hate the fact that it can drop gear that doesn't match the difficulty and since it drops the same kind of gear as the other difficulties there are 4 raid levels of gear to tune for.
11/02/2018 11:07 PMPosted by Drkenypowers
11/02/2018 02:54 PMPosted by Munard
Honestly asking. Im not trying to troll or make fun of anyone. I see people complain about it all the time. Isnt it better to have something like that? It saves you time of trying to form a party all day to enter a raid, also if you dont like it you can always just make a premade group method? I dont see the huge negatives people make it out to be. It gives people the chance to find a raid group that dont have lots of time to waste looking for a group. Why does it bother you if someone clicks LFR to enter a raid? Last time i check they were not instant joins either

You don't learn anything
You don't make new friends

It appeals mainly to people incapable of learning and incapable of making new friends.

So complaining on the forums about LFR is by people who are incapable of learning or making new friends?

11/02/2018 10:33 PMPosted by Tempestwinds
11/02/2018 03:08 PMPosted by Havux
1.) These bads are a large part of the player base... without their monthly subs you dont have raids either.

Pure bullsh*t. This game makes millions monthly, it could lose a million more subs and be profitable. The loss of some really hopeless people wouldn't make a dent. Again, he's asking why people don't like LFR. It's a legitimate answer.

You're not worth a much larger investment than they're making in you now. You aren't willing to pay 10x as much for access to the same content you're getting now, which is what you'd have to pay if you forced out all the casuals.

The idea that the game should get rid of a million or more subs to make you feel like you're the king of a very small hill is non-reality based.
LFR is just not a good experience. A lot of people there are rude and selfish. Unless you're a tank you don't need to pay attention to anything. Wipes mean an instant kick and requeue for the bottom DPS.

All I want is a way to see the story that goes on in raids. It could be a solo scenario with just the important fights storywise and I would be satisfied.
11/02/2018 11:07 PMPosted by Drkenypowers
11/02/2018 02:54 PMPosted by Munard
Honestly asking. Im not trying to troll or make fun of anyone. I see people complain about it all the time. Isnt it better to have something like that? It saves you time of trying to form a party all day to enter a raid, also if you dont like it you can always just make a premade group method? I dont see the huge negatives people make it out to be. It gives people the chance to find a raid group that dont have lots of time to waste looking for a group. Why does it bother you if someone clicks LFR to enter a raid? Last time i check they were not instant joins either


You don't learn anything
You don't make new friends

It appeals mainly to people incapable of learning and incapable of making new friends.


I'm just getting back into a bit of raiding. I watch a fight video and then use the LFR to get the base mechanics down, so when i'm doing a raid with the guild (remember, just getting back into it!), I'm not face planted in the first 20 seconds or wiping the raid. When I didn't have a ton of time, I used it to see the rest of the story, and get a bit lower tier gear. A lot of raiders use it to help gear up alts. People use LFR for a lot of different reasons.
11/02/2018 02:58 PMPosted by Jubearlee
Because of WF/TF you can end up getting your character geared out with stuff that would require you to be running high M+ keys, or doing Normal/Heroic raiding.


That really is an over exaggeration to be honest, I'm 380 from mostly M+ gear no way id get within 20 ilvls of that using only LFR.

I don't hate the fact that people can use LFR to see the content, I generally avoid it though as I find wiping because people don't listen or even try (to the point of aking sometimes) pretty frustrating.
11/02/2018 11:19 PMPosted by Kirela
11/02/2018 02:54 PMPosted by Munard
Honestly asking. Im not trying to troll or make fun of anyone. I see people complain about it all the time. Isnt it better to have something like that? It saves you time of trying to form a party all day to enter a raid, also if you dont like it you can always just make a premade group method? I dont see the huge negatives people make it out to be. It gives people the chance to find a raid group that dont have lots of time to waste looking for a group. Why does it bother you if someone clicks LFR to enter a raid? Last time i check they were not instant joins either


I don't hate LFR. I like that there are options for people. I hate the fact that it can drop gear that doesn't match the difficulty and since it drops the same kind of gear as the other difficulties there are 4 raid levels of gear to tune for.


This is misleading. It "can" drop higher tier gear, but so do all the other raids. If you sim a raid for each of the tiers, over the long play they all fall into their line because they would all titan forge all pieces eventually. Short term you might see some spikes, but im sure blizzard has run this exact sim or run the data, and came to the same conclusion. So CAN someone get a higher ilvl from LFR? Yes, but its not probable, because the higher tier raids also titan forge.
11/02/2018 11:37 PMPosted by Manngina
<span class="truncated">...</span>

You don't learn anything
You don't make new friends

It appeals mainly to people incapable of learning and incapable of making new friends.


I'm just getting back into a bit of raiding. I watch a fight video and then use the LFR to get the base mechanics down, so when i'm doing a raid with the guild (remember, just getting back into it!), I'm not face planted in the first 20 seconds or wiping the raid. When I didn't have a ton of time, I used it to see the rest of the story, and get a bit lower tier gear. A lot of raiders use it to help gear up alts. People use LFR for a lot of different reasons.


Oh there are decent uses for it, which you mention, but I suspect you would play without LFR.

But the type of player it attracts into the game is often toxic and almost always incapable of doing even normal-mode mechanics. Economists call them "zero marginal product employees" and educators call them "non-learners"...they should go somewhere else.
11/02/2018 11:18 PMPosted by Kypookins
We love LFR.

Only a few silly elitists hate it, though it has nothing to do with them at ALL!

Them hating LFR, would be like me hating Mythic +; It is content I DON'T EVEN DO, so why would I CARE?

11/02/2018 02:57 PMPosted by Dùbbs
because it contributes NOT ONLY to the skillessness of the player base, but also trains them to be lazy, ignore mechanics, and kick without reason.


No, that is who I AM (except for the kicking part.) I AM skillless, which is WHY I would be in LFR. I am LAZY, about that content, I probably would ignore mechanics (I'm just not going to pour of "strategy pages" from other other kids who play the game, so I can no how to do stuff.) The most I'll do is use the DBM add on and try to do what it says, getting out of goop or junk.

Some of you seem to have things backwards, people are not doing LFR because they don't want to try harder stuff. They are doing LFR because they are LEFT OUT of harder stuff, unable to do it.

"Git Gud", only works on paper.


Pre-LFR, there were tons and tons of entry level guilds where people would group up and teach each other basic mechanics - dispelling, movement, spellstealing, etc. Often these guilds would not expect you to do anything before the raid, including knowing mechanics - just show up and learn from mistakes.

You can still find such guilds, but it takes a little work.

The most fun I ever had in-game was with a group of fellow bads. We became less-bad together and made a lot of friends.
I don't hate LFR, just the people that run it.
But the type of player it attracts into the game is often toxic and almost always incapable of doing even normal-mode mechanics. Economists call them "zero marginal product employees" and educators call them "non-learners"...they should go somewhere else.


As sweeping statements go, this is up there with the best of them. In terms of accuracy, I'd give it a minus 400.

It appeals mainly to people incapable of learning and incapable of making new friends.


Honest reply?

If that is the level of contempt you hold for people you have never met, have never seen and wouidnt know if you passed them in the street..why would I want to be friends with you?

I do have friends btw..I am just choosy as to whom I socialise with.
11/03/2018 12:00 AMPosted by Aehl
But the type of player it attracts into the game is often toxic and almost always incapable of doing even normal-mode mechanics. Economists call them "zero marginal product employees" and educators call them "non-learners"...they should go somewhere else.


As sweeping statements go, this is up there with the best of them. In terms of accuracy, I'd give it a minus 400.

It appeals mainly to people incapable of learning and incapable of making new friends.


Honest reply?

If that is the level of contempt you hold for people you have never met, have never seen and wouidnt know if you passed them in the street..why would I want to be friends with you?

I do have friends btw..I am just choosy as to whom I socialise with.


The vast majority are incapable of learning. I know this because LFR is the fastest way to gear an alt and I've run a lot of it. They just melt faces until the 5p buffs stack up.

You give them constructive feedback and how do most respond? "Go suck a *%@*!%!@ !@#$%^, my $15, my way"
11/02/2018 02:59 PMPosted by Tadkins
They're just upset that they no longer get to feel special just for having the ability, connections, and time to enter the raid instance. They miss the "prestige" of feeling better than everyone else simply because they could run Sunwell.


More like they are upset that they are making content that the remaining 99% of the player base can see (So they can generate more revenue) instead of the 1% of the player base that are actually hard core raiders.
The vast majority are incapable of learning.

WOW is played in 244 nations worldwide and you know that of all of them?

No you dont

I know this because LFR is the fastest way to gear an alt and I've run a lot of it. They just melt faces until the 5p buffs stack up.


What you have is an opinion.

You give them constructive feedback and how do most respond? "Go suck a *%@*!%!@ !@#$%^, my $15, my way"


As I said to someone else, anecdotal "evidence" based on what you have seen with a few players on a few servers is not representative of WOW players as a whole.
As a small postscript, Drkenypowers, I have run into several players from your server, in raids and in outside world.

Some have been terrible, careless, foulmouthed.

A few.

Many have been just the opposite.

You wont ever see me tossing every single one of them into a basket marked "Bad" - word to the wise? I take each person on their merits.

Maybe you should, too.

So, the next time you make a massive judgement on people you dont even know....just bear that in mind?
Most almost all have no problem with it. The people doing it are not the ones reading the forums.

Join the Conversation

Return to Forum