The Masterplan for Sylvanas

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In the original version, Saurfang Jr. got killed by Arthas before the Burning Legion blight bombed the Wrathgate.

In the new version, he will probably die choking on blight, while trying to honorably rescue a puppy, crying out "Father, avenge me!"
You're just a character, Treng. If the person behind that avatar ever feels like posting, let us know.
Ad hominem doesn't make my argument wrong.

But, I mean, attacking the poster when you can't disprove their argument has been an age old sign of concession. So thanks, I guess?
11/09/2018 02:29 PMPosted by Treng
It makes sense that Saurfang would kill Sylvanas now that we know that she is directly responsible for his son's death.


????????

Saurfang Jr died before the Forsaken even revealed themselves at the Wrathgate.
Garrosh is super dead, last I checked.


Cdev said Garrosh wasn't meant to take the loony toons raid boss route. I thought you were using that as irony.
The devs have purposefully tried to make this expac as controversial as they could. Saying they enjoy the fans being so split up can be good in the short-term but this has been dragged so long for so many years that we now have a divide. If Sylvanas gets redeemed then people will rage quit, same if she gets dies.

They put themselves in a corner where they are gonna lose people regardless.
11/09/2018 02:53 PMPosted by Banisha
11/09/2018 02:29 PMPosted by Treng
It makes sense that Saurfang would kill Sylvanas now that we know that she is directly responsible for his son's death.


????????

Saurfang Jr died before the Forsaken even revealed themselves at the Wrathgate.


Hence Hahahahaha predictions.
11/09/2018 02:56 PMPosted by Reyvateil
If Sylvanas gets redeemed then people will rage quit, same if she gets dies.
what if she is exiled to use in a future plot line?
11/09/2018 02:53 PMPosted by Treng
Ad hominem doesn't make my argument wrong.

But, I mean, attacking the poster when you can't disprove their argument has been an age old sign of concession. So thanks, I guess?
Do I need to link you to the 13 page thread full of folks making the unfortunate mistake of treating you as if you're an actual person engaging in intellectually honest debate?

I'm just calling you out on it. I'm not going to get in the mud and wrestle.

11/09/2018 02:52 PMPosted by Hahahahahaha
In the original version, Saurfang Jr. got killed by Arthas before the Burning Legion blight bombed the Wrathgate.

In the new version, he will probably die choking on blight, while trying to honorably rescue a puppy, crying out "Father, avenge me!"
They're halfway there. Chronicles III already removed Saurfang's heroic (albeit stupid) death by Arthas. He dies to the Blight instead.
11/09/2018 02:58 PMPosted by Kazala
11/09/2018 02:53 PMPosted by Treng
Ad hominem doesn't make my argument wrong.

But, I mean, attacking the poster when you can't disprove their argument has been an age old sign of concession. So thanks, I guess?
Do I need to link you to the 13 page thread full of folks making the unfortunate mistake of treating you as if you're an actual person engaging in intellectually honest debate?

I'm just calling you out on it. I'm not going to get in the mud and wrestle.
he isn't a person?
11/09/2018 02:59 PMPosted by Withpuppys
he isn't a person?
Forum RP, dude. It's a thing.
11/09/2018 02:56 PMPosted by Reyvateil
The devs have purposefully tried to make this expac as controversial as they could. Saying they enjoy the fans being so split up can be good in the short-term but this has been dragged so long for so many years that we now have a divide. If Sylvanas gets redeemed then people will rage quit, same if she gets dies.

They put themselves in a corner where they are gonna lose people regardless.


That was always going to happen no matter what they did with Sylvanas.

Imo might as well go all in.
11/09/2018 02:53 PMPosted by Banisha
11/09/2018 02:29 PMPosted by Treng
It makes sense that Saurfang would kill Sylvanas now that we know that she is directly responsible for his son's death.


????????

Saurfang Jr died before the Forsaken even revealed themselves at the Wrathgate.
You are correct. That does make that argument wrong.

I've not seen wrathgate in a long hwhile. I misremembered the events.

Do I need to link you to the 13 page thread full of folks making the unfortunate mistake of treating you as if you're an actual person engaging in intellectually honest debate?
13 pages of circular argumentation "Anduin is referencing the cinematic because he's referencing the cinematic!"

You're better than this. I'm disappointed in you.
11/09/2018 02:42 PMPosted by Deathisfinal
11/09/2018 02:38 PMPosted by Kazala
4. Sylvanas is definitely going to be "just a raid boss".

Garrosh 101 - Don't intentionally plan for the death of an aggressive Warchief

Exactly. For Sylvanas to be Garrosh 2.0 we'll need the following in some quest content some time after we take an Old God wielding Sylvanas down for her death cinematic:

Sylvanas Windrunner: All I did, I did... FOR THE HORDE!
Anduin Wrynn: You've failed the Horde!
Sylvanas Windrunner: YOU made me what I am!
Anduin Wrynn: No... You chose your own destiny.
Reading that interview made my head hurt. Not only do they think the Sylvanas fans are all raving mad sheeple. They aren't even pretending she is doing questionable things for a good reason. Now they are just having her do bad things because it's what they think her fans want. Plausable deniability? She didn't need that before. She didn't care if garrosh found out she was using the plague. She didn't even hide the fact she was raising the dead.

The sylvanas of cata kidnapped lorna crowley and ransomed her back to her dad.
The sylvanas of BFA kidnaps the body of Derek and turns it into an assassin because the alliance will accept him back despite being forsaken?!
11/09/2018 02:58 PMPosted by Kazala
They're halfway there. Chronicles III already removed Saurfang's heroic (albeit stupid) death by Arthas. He dies to the Blight instead.


That is interesting.

So that much ballyhooed cinematic alot of people enjoyed in WOTLK...never happened in Lore? Or only parts of it did and some parts didn't?

He is killed by Arthas and his soul is stolen. Arthas challenges them all - and then the Plague rains down.

Yeesh. That is some heavy handed ham fisted retconning.
11/09/2018 03:09 PMPosted by Cursewords
11/09/2018 02:58 PMPosted by Kazala
They're halfway there. Chronicles III already removed Saurfang's heroic (albeit stupid) death by Arthas. He dies to the Blight instead.


That is interesting.

So that mich ballyhooed cinematic alot of people enjoyed in WOTLK...never happened in Lore? Or only parts of it did and some parts didn't?

He is killed by Arthas and his soul is stolen. Arthas challenges them all - and then the Plague rains down.

Yeesh. That is some heavy handed ham fisted retconning.

Is there any proof they made that change? This is the first I have heard of it.
Maybe it was a joke and I missed it?

Thats the first I heard of it as well.. But its the first I heard of Sylvanas ordering the Wrathgate too.
I haven't heard about chronicle changing it, but I don't own it and no one's sent pictures of excerpts about this, so I can't say with any certainty.
11/09/2018 03:14 PMPosted by Granfaloon
Is there any proof they made that change? This is the first I have heard of it.
If no one else gets to it first, I'll type up the passage when I get home.

The order of events has Arthas leave the field of battle without killing Dranosh, and then everyone left on the field -- including Dranosh specifically -- dies to the Blight.
So tell her story OUTSIDE OF THE HORDE.

That's all I want at this point. Make it called Sylvanas of Sylvanas Craft: Wrath of the Sylvanas Sylvanas. If she's not dragging my whole faction into genocidal edgelord land to show how.... smart(?!) she is? I just don't even care at that point. I can write it off.

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