BEs are HEs

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But they should have been alliance. Not horde. That was a major blow by blizzard to their own lore.
They'd understandably be a little hesitant to ally themselves with the humans after Garithos. Jaina's actions in MoP only further solidified their decision. At this point, they'll never rejoin the Alliance.
Have you played WC3:TFT, let alone WC3 in general? Not to fear, WC3: Reforged is coming, highly recommend you play it.
11/15/2018 02:11 AMPosted by Humanìty
But they should have been alliance. Not horde. That was a major blow by blizzard to their own lore.
I don't think anybody's denying that.
Far more interesting for the race being on the Horde than the Alliance. Contradictory appearance of the Horde makeup alone makes Blood Elves all that more special.
There's a mega thread up and active you could post this opinion on. But yes, BEs are HEs. Nobody is saying otherwise.

People ARE saying that not every HE is a BE though.
11/15/2018 02:15 AMPosted by Joyeuse
I don't think anybody's denying that.


I'm denying it.
11/15/2018 02:15 AMPosted by Sevaira
Far more interesting for the race being on the Horde than the Alliance. Contradictory appearance of the Horde makeup alone makes Blood Elves all that more special.


I agree. I love the idea of blood elves being Horde but only with the added possibility of getting to play the polar opposite in an expansion about a faction war. The amount of story drama potential is utterly awesome.
Wouldn't it be funny if the shoe was on the other foot? All those years ago, instead of making blood elves playable, they made high elves playable and then where would we be in the allied race era?
11/15/2018 02:17 AMPosted by Kirela
Wouldn't it be funny if the shoe was on the other foot? All those years ago, instead of making blood elves playable, they made high elves playable and then where would we be in the allied race era?


For many years not many people would have ever played Horde then. The balance of total players on each faction was massively in favor of the alliance throughout all of Vanilla. It took Blood Elves to even remotely bring the levels closer to even.
I always thought it strange that they would join the horde. I mean really, what could the horde possibly offer them?

They're elegant, sophisticated, and beautiful. They have immense towering buildings and grand arcane libraries. Vast control over magic, and enormous power.

Then they go and choose to Ally with corpses, cows, trolls, and green humans on steroids with bad teeth. All of which are less intelligent, far less sophisticated, and live in stick and mud hovels....

Just... Why?? There's literally nothing the horde can give them except numbers for their armies. Could've gotten that and more from the alliance.

They just have nothing in common with the horde
a group of high elves that changed their name. the othe high elves still remail.
11/15/2018 02:30 AMPosted by Cordalles
They just have nothing in common with the horde


Except for the whole being a race on the verge of extinction and at risk of being wiped out and joining the Horde as an Alliance of convenience. Like every other Horde race.
A low-key pro-Helf thread?

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Even before the Horde and before the Sunwell being destroyed:

"The Majority of Highelves did not want to be allied with the humans".

The nation of Quel'thalas pulled out of any alliance with the humans the moment the orc threat was dealt with. They still retained some connection with Dalaran.

Flash forward to the siege of Quel'thalas by the human prince, and destruction of the Sunwell. The High elven populace became harder and more determined, willing to sacrifice anything to see their people's destiny reclaimed. This darker attribute did not fit in well with the new Alliance's system of honor and the new alliance was distrustful of the Blood elves actions.

They now fit in much more with the Horde's idea of scavenging to survive, rather than upholding nobility and righteousness.

Tl;Dr: They fit in better with the Horde than they ever would with the Alliance, which they already rejected once.
11/15/2018 02:30 AMPosted by Cordalles
I always thought it strange that they would join the horde. I mean really, what could the horde possibly offer them?

They're elegant, sophisticated, and beautiful. They have immense towering buildings and grand arcane libraries. Vast control over magic, and enormous power.

Then they go and choose to Ally with corpses, cows, trolls, and green humans on steroids with bad teeth. All of which are less intelligent, far less sophisticated, and live in stick and mud hovels....

Just... Why?? There's literally nothing the horde can give them except numbers for their armies. Could've gotten that and more from the alliance.

They just have nothing in common with the horde


Easy, play the BElf starting zones.
Let's be honest. Realistically there wasn't a good reason for Blood Elves to join the Horde rather than wait for a response from Stormwind for help. People keep citing Garithos, but by the time of the BE starting zone he and his men have been dead for quite a while (and that scenario would be like one military leader goes rogue and tries to get you killed and ultimately tries sentencing you to death...is the reasonable response to then assume that the entire military/allied countries must also be evil and out to get you when you have centuries of alliances with them?)

But the real suspension of belief is the whole 'well this dwarf and these night elves are spying on/invading Quel'thalas'. That was the real shoe-horning of stupidity...to the point where the guy who wrote A Good War completely forgot it happened and thus Malfurion apparently had no clue it happened.

Not to mention...WHY would the night elves randomly be spying on the blood elves? The 'reckless use of magic' excuse is BS....high elves and their society have revolved around arcane magic for thousands of years, and the human-led Alliance not only had no problem with it, but they got the elves to teach it to them. Why weren't the night elves spying on Stormwind too? >_>

And...if the blood elves were going to be suspicious of people....

Trolls? High elves have been slaughtering trolls (and being slaughtered by them) since their settling in Quel'thalas. Sure, "different tribe of trolls and all that', but this is a culture that's had centuries of engrained prejudice against trolls period. You'd think there'd be a bit more hesitation in letting them trot around their city.

Orcs....exact same orcs that a few years prior were attacking their lands. "Under demonic influence' or not, still you'd expect some hesitation.

UNDEAD. Led by their former Ranger-General or not (though to be fair they DID have those two people in the square speaking out against joining the Horde to represent this dissent and mistrust...too bad they were promptly mind-controlled into shutting up). These are the exact same undead who nearly destroyed their kingdom and wiped their people out. "Oh but they're free-willed NOW" is a claim I'd be suspicious of, especially given the common attitude towards *any* undead.

So all of that....vs "some night elves and a random dwarf were spying on us, and this one racist jerk tried to sentence Kael'thas and his band of soldiers to death, but all of those men are dead now, and there's an entire country of other Alliance forces south of us...instead of contacting them for help let's try to get into this faction of barbaric races based across the ocean (and the walking corpses who almost wiped us out but claim they're totally our friends now).

It was flat-out bad writing and a flimsy excuse to give the Horde a pretty race to bolster their numbers.
... but not all HEs are BEs

... and not all BEs are VEs, but all VEs were BEs
You make way too many threads for them to all be this bad.
With the addition of BEs to Horde, you're see much happier ORCs cause they are getting laid more often. BE's love playing hide the Zucchini

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