BEs are HEs

General Discussion
11/15/2018 05:36 AMPosted by Sunday
11/15/2018 02:15 AMPosted by Vivette
Have you played WC3:TFT, let alone WC3 in general? Not to fear, WC3: Reforged is coming, highly recommend you play it.


I did. Having an entire race abandon their faction because of one person is moronic writing.

Just like they did again with the Nightborne.


It's the only way they can do things because if the story made sense no one in their right mind would join the Horde, especially with Sylvanas being warchief right now.
11/15/2018 02:13 AMPosted by Kelzyr
At this point, they'll never rejoin the Alliance.


Well it would be any more odd then NEs raised as into undeath instantly deciding they would love to join the group that just slew them and burned their homeland to the ground...
11/15/2018 02:11 AMPosted by Humanìty
But they should have been alliance. Not horde. That was a major blow by blizzard to their own lore.

They couldn't introduce us as Alliance, the faction imbalance was horrible in vanilla. They needed a draw to the Horde side, thus why we are here.
11/15/2018 06:19 AMPosted by Haven
11/15/2018 02:11 AMPosted by Humanìty
But they should have been alliance. Not horde. That was a major blow by blizzard to their own lore.

They couldn't introduce us as Alliance, the faction imbalance was horrible in vanilla. They needed a draw to the Horde side, thus why we are here.
Suggesting that such was a valid excuse, then that just doubles down as a reason for high elves to be playable for the Alliance. Faction imbalance is at its worst since Vanilla.
11/15/2018 02:16 AMPosted by Vivette
11/15/2018 02:15 AMPosted by Joyeuse
I don't think anybody's denying that.


I'm denying it.


I concur.
11/15/2018 06:23 AMPosted by Jawah
11/15/2018 06:19 AMPosted by Haven
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They couldn't introduce us as Alliance, the faction imbalance was horrible in vanilla. They needed a draw to the Horde side, thus why we are here.
Suggesting that such was a valid excuse, then that just doubles down as a reason for high elves to be playable for the Alliance. Faction imbalance is at its worst since Vanilla.


Funny that the only time Blizzard acknowledged faction imbalance and did something to fix it was when the Horde was the one with less people.

Really makes you think.
11/15/2018 05:44 AMPosted by Jawah
11/15/2018 02:16 AMPosted by Vivette
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I'm denying it.
Scratch that. Nobody with any sense of logic and/or morality is denying that.


Human Paladin post
11/15/2018 06:33 AMPosted by Eleroleron
<span class="truncated">...</span>Scratch that. Nobody with any sense of logic and/or morality is denying that.


Human Paladin post
Blood elf post. Did you click the wrong link on your way to a Garithos thread? Or are you here to bring up Garithos in this thread as well?
We bring all the boys to the yard.
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Human Paladin post
Blood elf post. Did you click the wrong link on your way to a Garithos thread? Or are you here to bring up Garithos in this thread as well?


Human paladin post: revisited
11/15/2018 02:13 AMPosted by Kelzyr
They'd understandably be a little hesitant to ally themselves with the humans after Garithos. Jaina's actions in MoP only further solidified their decision. At this point, they'll never rejoin the Alliance.


So because Garithos said mean things to you, your people went and joined some brutes who burnt your woods and murdered your people. BEs logic and common sense are... interesting.
11/15/2018 02:30 AMPosted by Cordalles
Just... Why?? There's literally nothing the horde can give them except numbers for their armies. Could've gotten that and more from the alliance.
it was the Forsaken who helped them with their Scourge problem in the Ghostlands, it was the Forsaken who reached out to them in their time of need, and it was the Forsaken who gave them much needed allies at the time.
So what we have is Post 5000 something, about how the alliance got shafted and can't get the Legolas fap going on or the whole fellowship. I think the lore about the blood elves is pretty set now, and that your NUTTY leaders made it even worse. I seriously doubt blood elves would even consider the Alliance at this point.

Why is it the same people drone on about this all the time? And to make it worse you sound like 2 year olds who refuse to accept NO. Give it a rest, were not happy on the Horde side since we got your broken a*s Night elf models for Nightborne.

I seriously would fall over laughing if they made blue eyes for Blood Elves the sheer anger and tears would be so funny. Bad enough they had to give you all a xp buff to turn on warmode.
11/15/2018 02:13 AMPosted by Kelzyr
They'd understandably be a little hesitant to ally themselves with the humans after Garithos. Jaina's actions in MoP only further solidified their decision. At this point, they'll never rejoin the Alliance.


Garithos said mean things to you, so your people went and joined some brutes who burnt your woods and murdered your people. BEs common sense is ..... interesting.


I enjoy that people seem to think "Garithos was mean to you" as somehow the only reasoning.

It wasnt just Garithos. Garithos and the forces of Lordaeron behaved like pigs to the blood elves. Not one voiced concern or care and left them all to die at Garithos' orders.

Elves already were distrustful of humans. Seeing the prince of Lordaeron march on their lands, and then the last forces of the alliance in the north turn feral on them and their prince, naturally brewed tensions.

This, added with the fact the night elves joined the Alliance and had already turned them against the idea of assisting the Blood elves, as well as the Alliance being mistrustful and sending in spies to Quel'thalas, further added to it.

No, the orcs being crazed on demon-juice and trying to burn their forest, or the forsaken being once possessed by the lich king, doesnt really compare, especially when both sought redemption after. The humans...never apologized, did they? Why would they.

The Forsaken and their once ranger general stood by them and assisted. the Horde provided them a route to Outland, then stood with them to defeat Kael'thas. Bonds fostered.
11/15/2018 02:15 AMPosted by Joyeuse
11/15/2018 02:11 AMPosted by Humanìty
But they should have been alliance. Not horde. That was a major blow by blizzard to their own lore.
I don't think anybody's denying that.


Denied.

Speak for yourself.
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Garithos said mean things to you, so your people went and joined some brutes who burnt your woods and murdered your people. BEs common sense is ..... interesting.


I enjoy that people seem to think "Garithos was mean to you" as somehow the only reasoning.

It wasnt just Garithos. Garithos and the forces of Lordaeron behaved like pigs to the blood elves. Not one voiced concern or care and left them all to die at Garithos' orders.

Elves already were distrustful of humans. Seeing the prince of Lordaeron march on their lands, and then the last forces of the alliance in the north turn feral on them and their prince, naturally brewed tensions.

This, added with the fact the night elves joined the Alliance and had already turned them against the idea of assisting the Blood elves, as well as the Alliance being mistrustful and sending in spies to Quel'thalas, further added to it.

No, the orcs being crazed on demon-juice and trying to burn their forest, or the forsaken being once possessed by the lich king, doesnt really compare, especially when both sought redemption after. The humans...never apologized, did they? Why would they.

The Forsaken and their once ranger general stood by them and assisted. the Horde provided them a route to Outland, then stood with them to defeat Kael'thas. Bonds fostered.


Such great "bonds" that Lor'themar was negotiating re-joining the Alliance in MoP. LoL.

Blood Elves are egotistical, arrogant and vain. They needed the Humans to save their sorry butts (and needed the Draenei too!) countless times but never returned the favor. Glad they're not Alliance, to be honest.
11/15/2018 04:49 AMPosted by Mardrigala
Let's be honest. Realistically there wasn't a good reason for Blood Elves to join the Horde rather than wait for a response from Stormwind for help.


This says you know nothing of the BE mindset and their history.
Nah, Blood Elves work on the Horde.
11/15/2018 04:49 AMPosted by Mardrigala
Let's be honest. Realistically there wasn't a good reason for Blood Elves to join the Horde rather than wait for a response from Stormwind for help. People keep citing Garithos, but by the time of the BE starting zone he and his men have been dead for quite a while (and that scenario would be like one military leader goes rogue and tries to get you killed and ultimately tries sentencing you to death...is the reasonable response to then assume that the entire military/allied countries must also be evil and out to get you when you have centuries of alliances with them?)

But the real suspension of belief is the whole 'well this dwarf and these night elves are spying on/invading Quel'thalas'. That was the real shoe-horning of stupidity...to the point where the guy who wrote A Good War completely forgot it happened and thus Malfurion apparently had no clue it happened.

Not to mention...WHY would the night elves randomly be spying on the blood elves? The 'reckless use of magic' excuse is BS....high elves and their society have revolved around arcane magic for thousands of years, and the human-led Alliance not only had no problem with it, but they got the elves to teach it to them. Why weren't the night elves spying on Stormwind too? >_>

And...if the blood elves were going to be suspicious of people....

Trolls? High elves have been slaughtering trolls (and being slaughtered by them) since their settling in Quel'thalas. Sure, "different tribe of trolls and all that', but this is a culture that's had centuries of engrained prejudice against trolls period. You'd think there'd be a bit more hesitation in letting them trot around their city.

Orcs....exact same orcs that a few years prior were attacking their lands. "Under demonic influence' or not, still you'd expect some hesitation.

UNDEAD. Led by their former Ranger-General or not (though to be fair they DID have those two people in the square speaking out against joining the Horde to represent this dissent and mistrust...too bad they were promptly mind-controlled into shutting up). These are the exact same undead who nearly destroyed their kingdom and wiped their people out. "Oh but they're free-willed NOW" is a claim I'd be suspicious of, especially given the common attitude towards *any* undead.

So all of that....vs "some night elves and a random dwarf were spying on us, and this one racist jerk tried to sentence Kael'thas and his band of soldiers to death, but all of those men are dead now, and there's an entire country of other Alliance forces south of us...instead of contacting them for help let's try to get into this faction of barbaric races based across the ocean (and the walking corpses who almost wiped us out but claim they're totally our friends now).

It was flat-out bad writing and a flimsy excuse to give the Horde a pretty race to bolster their numbers.


I mean Blood Elves got mad at the whole Alliance because of Garithos and it snowballed into joining the horde. I love elves but that is a very elven thing to do, like how the Nightborne ended on the Horde because Tyrande was mean to them. It is just all around crappy diplomacy work that no one took the time to fix and just degraded to the point the alternative sounded better.

But the facts are simple; Quel'thalas at that point had no love for the Alliance, they LEFT it at the first chance they got so we are not going to say the government was loyal to the alliance. Of course the Blood Elves were holding a grudge because of Garithos, as much as the living Windrunners are always going to hold a grudge because of the Second War against the Horde.

Let's remember that was only southern Quel'thalas that was burned during it, so it's not wild to say that the populace of Silvermoon city suffered a lot less by the horde than those in the border, with Alleria and Vereesa being prime examples of the kind of loss that made some High Elves become more invested on the Alliance.

You might think that the Night Elf incursion in Ghostlands is silly, and it might be, but sadly it is still within their characterization to be arrogant and holier than thou, and yeah, if anything Suramar doubled down in that they suck at diplomacy, because yeah, the hole incursion on the Ghostlands is just the worst diplomatic move ever and what I find hard to believe is that there was no repercussions ever for that.
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I enjoy that people seem to think "Garithos was mean to you" as somehow the only reasoning.

It wasnt just Garithos. Garithos and the forces of Lordaeron behaved like pigs to the blood elves. Not one voiced concern or care and left them all to die at Garithos' orders.

Elves already were distrustful of humans. Seeing the prince of Lordaeron march on their lands, and then the last forces of the alliance in the north turn feral on them and their prince, naturally brewed tensions.

This, added with the fact the night elves joined the Alliance and had already turned them against the idea of assisting the Blood elves, as well as the Alliance being mistrustful and sending in spies to Quel'thalas, further added to it.

No, the orcs being crazed on demon-juice and trying to burn their forest, or the forsaken being once possessed by the lich king, doesnt really compare, especially when both sought redemption after. The humans...never apologized, did they? Why would they.

The Forsaken and their once ranger general stood by them and assisted. the Horde provided them a route to Outland, then stood with them to defeat Kael'thas. Bonds fostered.


Such great "bonds" that Lor'themar was negotiating re-joining the Alliance in MoP. LoL.

Blood Elves are egotistical, arrogant and vain. They needed the Humans to save their sorry butts (and needed the Draenei too!) countless times but never returned the favor. Glad they're not Alliance, to be honest.


I know it is difficult for you to comprehend actually storytelling, but i'll try for your sake.

Lor'themar, as well as -every Horde leader- was seeking a way out from Garrosh. Vol'jin and Baine began their rebellion while others were ignoring Garrosh's commands. Lor'themar, seeking protection for his people against the madman, was considering using the Alliance for protection against him. This backfired, so Lor'themar decided to join forces with Vol'jin and put an end to Garrosh themselves.

But yes...typical fanbois like you would only see "Lol he wanted to leave!", because...that is the extent of any capacity of mental processing you can muster, aye?

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