raider.io tears

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Browsing these forums you see so many posts about people being unhappy with the raider.io system, and how evil it is bla bla bla. So why don't people who are unhappy with it just don't use it?

Why don't you start your own groups, and then invite however many pvp players with 0 dungeon experience, badly geared and specced characters with high ilvl, raiders that don't do m+, etc? Start your own keys, push to 10, and never have to worry about the big evil raider.io and the scourge it has become upon the poor innocent wow community.

Wow, problem solved! You can push your keys no worries (after all, it's not you who is incapable of +10s, it's just the raider.io prejudice) , and the evil elitists can cackle in glee as they derive immense pleasure from their score (which they were carried to by their fotm class, spec, etc, since they are actually bad).
The people crying are crying because it's used against them, not because they're magically forced to use it. Of course this is a troll post that should just be deleted outright but Blizzard doesn't actually watch these forums so by all means, fish away.
You never see anyone complaining about Blizzards own internal ranking system in PVP which is identical to RaiderIO.

I feel that PVPers are far more realistic about their abilities and dont cry when a 2800 team wont take them with there 1200 rating because they understand that just makes sense.

Mr LFR/warfront and his 368 ilvl is entitled to run with you in your +10s or higher because his participation awards tell him hes great.
11/12/2018 09:50 AMPosted by Leafblight
The people crying are crying because it's used against them, not because they're magically forced to use it. Of course this is a troll post that should just be deleted outright but Blizzard doesn't actually watch these forums so by all means, fish away.


Not sure how it's a troll post, he suggests a solution (make your own group) that actually works. You do that and your raider.io score becomes meaningless.

Raider.io is just a convenient target for people who are unwilling to put in the effort to do the content.
Raider.io is a cancer to the game and the community. It creates segregation, which is very toxic for an MMO.

People who "check" raider.io are basically looking for players that already did the dungeon at that particular level. They're looking for players to carry them.
11/12/2018 09:50 AMPosted by Leafblight
The people crying are crying because it's used against them, not because they're magically forced to use it. Of course this is a troll post that should just be deleted outright but Blizzard doesn't actually watch these forums so by all means, fish away.


But I gave the solution. Use your own key. Everyone gets one. Then they can make their own run, invite whoever they want, and everyone gets a +10? What's the problem?
11/12/2018 07:17 PMPosted by Eyeris
Raider.io is a cancer to the game and the community. It creates segregation, which is very toxic for an MMO.

People who "check" raider.io are basically looking for players that already did the dungeon at that particular level. They're looking for players to carry them.


A keystone is a commodity. A +10 freehold is a hot ticket item. Why wouldn't they be picky? Like I said, why don't you just run your own keys? The solution is so simple. The only way my solution wouldn't work is if people actually wanted to join groups that would carry them, but who are unwilling to do that because of your lack of dungeon experience. Then it's a problem. :*(
11/12/2018 07:17 PMPosted by Eyeris
People who "check" raider.io are basically looking for players that already did the dungeon at that particular level. They're looking for players to carry them.


Or they're looking to have a smooth run with people that have done the key at that level before? Did this likely possibility not occur to you? Lol.
11/12/2018 07:36 PMPosted by Cynalessa
11/12/2018 07:17 PMPosted by Eyeris
People who "check" raider.io are basically looking for players that already did the dungeon at that particular level. They're looking for players to carry them.


Or they're looking to have a smooth run with people that have done the key at that level before? Did this likely possibility not occur to you? Lol.


Don't be silly man, the only people using raider.io are the noobs who want to get carried. Pros just use their "gut feeling" to get people to join the +12 key that they hope to +2. So what if Bob the Paladin has only a +8, which was 12 minutes over the timer? He feels pro.
Haha. I love these threads. It’s funny because it’s true.

If we had a communist wow we would all be assigned players for our group and nobody would be able to complain. Just make it like LFG dungeon finder, since that works so well.... >.>
11/12/2018 09:48 AMPosted by Ineedmoneeyy
Browsing these forums you see so many posts about people being unhappy with the raider.io system, and how evil it is bla bla bla. So why don't people who are unhappy with it just don't use it?


Do you really not understand that isn't an option?

You have a raider.io score whether you use it or not. People can look up your score even if you've never personally even heard of the addon.
11/12/2018 07:17 PMPosted by Eyeris
Raider.io is a cancer to the game and the community. It creates segregation, which is very toxic for an MMO.

People who "check" raider.io are basically looking for players that already did the dungeon at that particular level. They're looking for players to carry them.


In what way is looking for players who've done the dungeon before looking for a carry? Do you just assume that people only every do each dungeon once? Really strange comment.
11/12/2018 07:17 PMPosted by Eyeris
Raider.io is a cancer to the game and the community. It creates segregation, which is very toxic for an MMO.

People who "check" raider.io are basically looking for players that already did the dungeon at that particular level. They're looking for players to carry them.


If the person is looking for a score that's significantly above their own, then yeah, they are looking for a carry. But if they are look for a score close to their own, they are just looking for equally skilled players to ensure a smooth experience.
At high level play, people get very picky when choosing their teammates. The community created a measuring stick (raider.io) to aid them in doing just that.

The community has successfully segregated themselves into numbering boxes. Thanks in large part by Blizzard's e-sport mindset.

There was a time when there was only 1 tier of content. I remember when the heroic tier was introduced. I wasn't around when they introduced the third tier they call Mythic.

Now with Mythic+ stretching to infinity, the community can now segregate themselves into extinction.
11/12/2018 09:19 PMPosted by Eyeris
Now with Mythic+ stretching to infinity, the community can now segregate themselves into extinction.


I mean, this happens in real life too. Major league baseball players play with other major leaguers. AAA players play with AAA players. AA players play with AA players. And so on, and so forth.

People play with other people of similar skills. This isn't segregation, this is how people improve. You think Johnny Beerbelly is gonna learn anything if he steps up to the major league plate? You think Manny Machado is gonna gain any insights playing with the peewee leagues?

Nobody owes you anything in this game. What you do and don't achieve is entirely up to how much effort you're willing to put into it. You can sit here and complain about raider.io all day, meanwhile the people who get things done will just do it.
Blizzard should scale mythics to group size. So you can solo them and get the same reward as a regular +10 mythic dungeon. Flexi-M+. And a pause function where you can come back to it later on during the week would be nice
11/12/2018 08:37 PMPosted by Aewendil
11/12/2018 09:48 AMPosted by Ineedmoneeyy
Browsing these forums you see so many posts about people being unhappy with the raider.io system, and how evil it is bla bla bla. So why don't people who are unhappy with it just don't use it?


Do you really not understand that isn't an option?

You have a raider.io score whether you use it or not. People can look up your score even if you've never personally even heard of the addon.


If you start your own group, you can invite whoever wants to join. And if those elitists don't want to join because of your score, you can invite the ones with low scores. Who wants those pesky elitists in their group anyway, right? Problem solved guys.
11/13/2018 12:35 AMPosted by Ineedmoneeyy

If you start your own group, you can invite whoever wants to join. And if those elitists don't want to join because of your score, you can invite the ones with low scores. Who wants those pesky elitists in their group anyway, right? Problem solved guys.


That's fine if you're happy to run a random key, not a solution if you want to run a specific one.
11/13/2018 12:59 AMPosted by Aewendil
11/13/2018 12:35 AMPosted by Ineedmoneeyy

If you start your own group, you can invite whoever wants to join. And if those elitists don't want to join because of your score, you can invite the ones with low scores. Who wants those pesky elitists in their group anyway, right? Problem solved guys.


That's fine if you're happy to run a random key, not a solution if you want to run a specific one.


But if everyone that feels like this does my solution, there will be so many keys to cherrypick from. Woot everyone wins!
11/12/2018 04:38 PMPosted by Fancypantsz
11/12/2018 09:50 AMPosted by Leafblight
The people crying are crying because it's used against them, not because they're magically forced to use it. Of course this is a troll post that should just be deleted outright but Blizzard doesn't actually watch these forums so by all means, fish away.


Not sure how it's a troll post, he suggests a solution (make your own group) that actually works. You do that and your raider.io score becomes meaningless.

Raider.io is just a convenient target for people who are unwilling to put in the effort to do the content.


Are you trolling too or did you just not read the rest of his post?

"and then invite however many pvp players with 0 dungeon experience, badly geared and specced characters with high ilvl, raiders that don't do m+, etc? "

Before raider IO existed, i'd inspect a player, see if they're properly geared enchanted and gemmed, and make sure they weren't from Ragnaros or Azralon. Then i'd invite them. Believe it or not, this worked in Legion. I only ever had one person leave a key, "right after we started it, obvious troll," and we almost ALWAYS completed the key on time.

Compare that to BFA, when only ~25% of keys are completed on time. What happened? What has changed? How much good has raider IO done for the community as a whole? Or do you blame the dungeons? Perhaps the timers? The Tyrannical/Fortified affix change? This is more important than your group not taking the shaman, "no matter how geared and developed his toon," because resto druids and disc priests are FOTM. The Mythic plus community as a whole is dying, and Raider IO isn't helping.

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