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So I was reading through the lock reddit megathread and came across this little gem by our self-appointed representative:

"We genuinely feel that every Warlock spec is a better spec in Battle for Azeroth than it was in Legion."

Firstly, who is this "we"? Secondly, legion warlock was perhaps the best iteration of the class, compared to bfa's cooldown-based crap.

Reading stuff like this... especially by people who actually have a voice truly make a me lose hope in the community.

For the sake of having a discussion around this thread, care to elaborate on why you think that particular line isn't accurate with respect to the class in BfA as opposed to Legion?

Also, I'm pretty sure "we" would refer to people who head up/write for LOSS and the Discord, so Gahddo, Silver, Not, Xyronic, Motoko, etc.

Edit: Link to said post:
https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/9plqwe/patch_81_warlock_community_feedback_megathread/
I feel like locks have effectively no defenses, which I think is in part to the artifact offering so much, nonetheless the specs felt better in Legion, opposed to bfa where we have shenannigans like doom being a talent, which is worse than it was in legion when it was also baseline.
Destruction was a sh!t show early legion, until they listened to us about removing embers being the biggest mistake they ever made.

Nether portals were okay but I really didn't like them much. While being cooldown dependent sucks, the cooldown we have is AWESOME. ember gen during burst is so cool. I just wish CB costed 1.5 shards instead of 2.

Affliction was just a dull boring mess, and soul flame didn't even thematically fit the spec, nor was it any fun. It was zero input and overpowered as all hell. Even if deathbolt doesn't fit the spec, which it doesn't, it's at least engaging. You could practically afk while playing aff in legion.

Demo...I don't even think I need to say anything about Legion demo. It was SO bad imo. TKC was stupid. It's much better in BfA but I still hate that metamorphosis is gone, so I can't give the spec a real opinion as I refuse to play it seriously beyond getting a feel for it on a dummy.
Demo is much better now in BFA.it needs some tweaks but it plays way better.

Affliction I like a lot less. Our burst aoe is gone. And Death/Shadowbolt replacing Drain Soul/Life sucks.
10/21/2018 12:27 PMPosted by Heralol


Firstly, who is this "we"? Secondly, legion warlock was perhaps the best iteration of the class, compared to bfa's cooldown-based crap.

Reading stuff like this... especially by people who actually have a voice truly make a me lose hope in the community.


Probably people who actually have cleared current content and know what they're talking about instead of languishing at 4/8M and running their mouth off on the forums lol.
10/21/2018 09:42 PMPosted by Eskay
10/21/2018 12:27 PMPosted by Heralol


Firstly, who is this "we"? Secondly, legion warlock was perhaps the best iteration of the class, compared to bfa's cooldown-based crap.

Reading stuff like this... especially by people who actually have a voice truly make a me lose hope in the community.


Probably people who actually have cleared current content and know what they're talking about instead of languishing at 4/8M and running their mouth off on the forums lol.
Why do you go there? It's so fking stupid and not necessary. Clearing mythic isn't even what the majority of players do. So your voice is only valid if you are in a top raiding guild? I find bfa destro boring compared to legion because we didn't get a new talent and azerite traits are passive and boring.
The majority of that post gets right at the issues with the class right now, and it does so without going on an emotional tirade.

Disagree with that live in you want, but if Blizz does everything thats asked in those posts we'll be in good shape.
Sticking to my lock for now, Im having fun in pvp. The fun factor is all Im looking for since I dont play much.

Im not having so much fun raid wise, I usually play aff but ive been trying out the others specs lately because aff got boring after the honey moon.

Not really sure what else I would play if I decided to change...
Their opinion versus yours.
Link post pls
10/21/2018 09:26 PMPosted by Corpseskin
Demo is much better now in BFA.it needs some tweaks but it plays way better.


No it’s not. Take a seat with the other people who have a completely wrong opinion. Anyone to argue this can take a hike, too. Demo plays better? If that’s the case then why does the Spec have the lowest representation out of the 3 in ALL scenarios (Arena 2v2 & 3v3, RBGs, M+, Heroic and Mythic raids, etc.)? Yeah, demo got a new baseline demon, cool who cares? Don’t get me wrong. I’m one of the few locks left that advocates demo just because I’ve always only played demo, but sometimes you have to face the truth and adapt a little.

I’m not trying to be cruel, I promise. However, situations like these or that reddit thread are why not EVERYONE should be entitled to voice their opinion.

All 3 specs are watered down compared to what they were just 1 expansion ago. And legion wasn’t even Warlocks at their top performance. That goes to show how long this “watered-down-Spec” effect has been going on as it trickles down expansion by expansion.

We’re constantly getting reworks to our specs and Blizzard’s explanation is always “oh we’re trying to make the Spec better” or some corny !@#$ like that but it just makes it worse every time. And the ONE time they get demo locks right, they fire the guy in charge of warlock class design, classic Blizzard move. Example?

We had OG demo which was no doubt very cool IMO. We then get Meta which was by far the best demonology was and ever will be.. and I mean truly a perfectly designed Spec to be fit and competitive in all scenarios. They then take meta away and give it to a brain dead class and give us a couple of more demons and make us a summoner class.. BUT we got Thal’kiel’s consumption which was a neat burst mechanic. Blizzard proceeded to take that away and water the Spec down even further. We no longer have a single burst mechanic and we’re the ONLY spec out of every Spec in the game that doesn’t have one.. LOL what?

I won’t delve into all 3 specs and how gutted they are but the same thing basically happened to them too.

Didn’t mean for this to be a rant. All I’m saying is idk what goes through a warlock player’s mind when they claim this version of warlock to be better than before. If that were the case we’d have higher than a 2.7% representation representation on the arena ladder :)
Since this is purely an opinion thread, let me just add my two cents.

Aff and destro are boring. I hate havoc with a passion, it runs destro for me. Aff is super effective but has changed very little.

Demo is fun as all hell to play. The buffs coming in 8.1 will be huge for the spec's math. A few talent tweaks regarding sacrificed souls being either baseline and scaling off mastery, buffs to bilescourge and dreadlash to make them more competitive, something to make vilefiend more interesting, and some way to add more pet flexibility will make the spec more complete.
10/22/2018 06:49 AMPosted by Menemies
always only played demo


checks armory and you are destruction....
Imagine not playing Warlock in MoP

I genuinely feel bad for you.
10/22/2018 07:10 AMPosted by Hamwallet
10/22/2018 06:49 AMPosted by Menemies
always only played demo


checks armory and you are destruction....


Did m+ last night as destro. Sometimes you gotta adapt... as I stated in my wall of text which you didn’t read :)

Keyword: “played”.. past tense you should know that..
Yeah... no.

Affliction is so fixated on turret casting single target damage that it can hardly do anything else. It's survival tools are lacking greatly in pvp and the inevitable demise trait makes their damage in pvp too much. Sadly it's in a situation where it's damage Needs to be over the top to compete at all in pvp.

Destro is in a similar situation however they are balanced around cleaving with havoc which really irritates me. Havoc used to be a burst damage cooldown. Now it's a button you push to struggle to keep up with everyone else.
They have the same problem as affliction in pvp, except it's more reasonable that they are less tanky. The problem lies in the difficulty of getting casts off when most classes have multiple little ccs and interrupts to completely negate our 3 min cd burst. If they could bake that damage back into incinerate and immolate I would be happier with the spec.
That or allow us a similar ramp up mechanic like UA for immolate so we can stack on the damage to a single target but still allow for counterplay such as dispelling. I'm getting caught up here but that's the general just imho.

Last we have demonology. Yikes. It's so close to being a good spec I don't know whether to laugh or cry. The mechanics are there for it to be good, it just needs some slight damage buffs and talent tweaks to push it over the edge.
First off, the talent that gives your shadowbolt and demonbolt a chance to make your next dread stalker cast instant and 1 shard. It's not engaging or fun and makes the spec clunky. Make dread stalker instant cast baseline and find something else to put there blizzard.
While you are at it why not make doom baseline too and revert it back to being 15 second ticks so it's more impactful and engaging. Another change I think that could make the spec more choice driven would be to make Demonic strength boost any demon to do empowered abilities, not just the felguard. This should also be the case with soul strike. Let us play with multiple demons damnit you already promote that with the succubus pvp talent and imp pvp talent.
Lastly why don't you make our extra demons listen to our pet commands so we, as demonic commanders, can actually give orders to our troops.
10/22/2018 07:22 AMPosted by Nazthul
Imagine not playing Warlock in MoP

I genuinely feel bad for you.
Idk, I kind of envy him. Must be nice to not be disappointed every time you play
^^ that's the saddest thing i've seen in a while.
10/22/2018 06:43 AMPosted by Lifiane
Link post pls
I just editted my first post to include it but here it is:
https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/9plqwe/patch_81_warlock_community_feedback_megathread/

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