Mythic+ is dying.. do something about it.

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11/04/2018 11:54 AMPosted by Hurin
Does raider.io not count runs that you fail to complete? Is that why people leave early?


Raider.io only counts your best ever score for a particular dungeon. So if you've already done a +7 in time for that dungeon then you would have a score around 70. If you join a level 8 dungeon but it's not going to make the timer, finishing it won't improve your score, so a lot of the time there's no incentive for the player to finish it.

A lot of this is not raider.io's fault, blizzard removed a lot of the incentive from M+ (e.g. it's not a good way to farm AP any more, there are no legendaries, so the reward for finishing is....a hydrocore?)

What Blizzard need to do is put the incentives back into M+ chests. Make the AP reward worthwhile. Put the new M+ gear currency in the end of dungeon chest. Give people a reason to actually want to open that chest.
If you were at the mdi stage yesterday you wouldn't feel this way that's for sure.

I dont play this thing for eSports, most of us give not a single care for it in that light. This is leisure time entertainment. In fact its been pretty apparent now that all the changes people hate are geared to making eSports more watchable at the expense of good play experience for the average consumer. Don't tell me the GCD change isn't to make watching the MDI easier for the audience begin able to see exactly what the players are doing.


As for your problem, I'm not sure what they can do?

Your primary complaint is that you don't enjoy some dungeons, right? How can that be solved?

Suggest some actual things that could change about them that might help you warm up to them, but realize that redesigning dungeons is just not something that will likely happen any time soon.

I don't think its going to far out on a limb at this point to illustrate the fact that 99.9% of us are not game developers or specialists in gaming theories or design. This response of make suggestions is being pushed because it's a convenient dead end for complaints. Did we have to suggest how to make Vanilla, or TBC or Wrath? Or did good game developers just make entertaining games? Why is the onus on US now to come up with that? Isn't that the dang job of of a game designer/developer?

I tend to worry about people making comparisons to legion dungeons though, because I feel like they remember doing them when they were super over geared compared to what dropped and doing dungeons clearly not designed with affixes in mind.

Things are far more difficult now and they actually have real challenges each week. If you don't enjoy overcoming challenges like that, that's totally cool, but just realize that is an intentional implementation and not something that needs to be fixed.
11/04/2018 11:16 AMPosted by Adamology
I agree.

I killed Ragnaros in Vanilla.

but Method and Limit won't put me on their core raid team????????????

You are trying to be funny or something?

I'm confused how is few months ago being compared to 10years ago?

How is knowing every single affixes in legion is something different in BFA?

Do you know the only different is the new "Infested" that's it? the entire thing is the same? just new dungeons?

Please make some logic next time instead of trolling..
11/04/2018 11:12 AMPosted by Annastasi
11/04/2018 10:41 AMPosted by Merrymaker
How ?

Tell me how can I even check my Own score in Legion from Raider.IO it doesn't even show that.


you go to the website, look your character up and ... change the dropdown.

Ya I found it.

But no one is going to do that tho... to scroll down.. It should be on the TOP PAGE right next to BFA progression.

I just checked


3,136
Best Mythic+ Score
My Legion score, yet people are asking for 1k to finish a +10 in BFA lol.
11/04/2018 06:10 AMPosted by Merrymaker
In legion, I cared about my score and I got it to 3k+ because Mythic+ was actually fun and the dungeons were cool and great.

However, In BFA.. I dislike the dungeons sorry... not a fan of Shrine, temple, or manor.. not even King's rest.

All what people care about is the weekly +10. one time and I'm done for the week.

I finished a +10 day one of Mythic+ release in BFA when my ilvl was 360+ or something lower I dont remember.

My legion score was high which means I have a great and awesome knowledge about everything how to kite + affixes.

Why suddenly I need 1k+ score in order just to finish a +10 ?

"Push your key, Make your Own group"


Listen, I said, I do not like the dungeons.. If my key is +9 Kings rest or shrine or whatever on tyrannical + Bursting or other bad week I'm not wasting my time even with top players.. No thanks.

That is why we look for quick keys..

Blizzard - for the love of god, just do something about this issue already.


what i heard:

dungeons are hard in bfa and rewards even harder to get.

hence the whine..I mean heartfelt complain about lack of rewards..i mean fun.
11/04/2018 12:36 PMPosted by Merrymaker
11/04/2018 11:12 AMPosted by Annastasi
...

you go to the website, look your character up and ... change the dropdown.

Ya I found it.

But no one is going to do that tho... to scroll down.. It should be on the TOP PAGE right next to BFA progression.

I just checked


3,136
Best Mythic+ Score
My Legion score, yet people are asking for 1k to finish a +10 in BFA lol.


Or you can grow up, increase your score to 1k and then 10s? What, are you going to pretend that you didn't abuse io score in legion or one should carry an unknown stranger based on his alleged fame?
11/04/2018 12:45 PMPosted by Sisterspite
Or you can grow up, increase your score to 1k and then 10s?

Grow up?

What does growing up has to do with this dude?

Do you realize that even if I got my score to 1k.. people eventually will ask for 15k ... Did you see the point? It doesn't matter how good you are.

The highest score you have the faster people will take you... And that is sad because back in legion I've seen 4k people doing horrible at HoV Tyranny week...
11/04/2018 12:32 PMPosted by Merrymaker
How is knowing every single affixes in legion is something different in BFA?


Because the dungeons are different?

You had 2 years to learn the mechanics of Legion 5 mans. That doesn't mean you know the mechanics in BFA. Knowing the affixes is like knowing that mobs auto attack.
11/04/2018 12:52 PMPosted by Kwaii
Because the dungeons are different?

In what? different? new art? new graphics?

BFA been out for months now... we already know every single "add" mechanic and the entire dungeons...

It's not like something new oh new dungeon omg what should we do...
11/04/2018 12:52 PMPosted by Kwaii
You had 2 years to learn the mechanics of Legion 5 mans. That doesn't mean you know the mechanics in BFA. Knowing the affixes is like knowing that mobs auto attack.

Ya because I need 2years from now to know every single dungeon in BFA lol.......

Again.. the mechanics are almost the same as legion.. interrupt this move away from this... Shroud these adds.... there is nothing special or hard about it at all... specially if it's a +10 dude... A +10..............
Legion was fun because the dungeons had less trash and no time wasting patrol routes.

BFA is more trashes, more patrols, and witches going through wall/floor.
Besides some tuning problems, which are easily correctable. BFA dungeons are x10 better than the ones in legion. In fact the dungeons are about all they got right this expansion. I actually can't really take anyone who thinks legion dungeons were better designed. Maybe if you like super easy dungeons.

[Citation needed.]

The problem with mythic+ is the reward system and a shortage of players.

In complaints about the dungeons themselves (not complaints about raider.io), far more players state hating the dungeons over them being unrewarding as their reason for not doing them.

There is no shortage of "players", any more than there is a shortage of tanks. People aren't willing to do stuff they hate. That's a big chunk of people who never step foot in dungeons now.
11/04/2018 06:28 AMPosted by Merrymaker
11/04/2018 06:19 AMPosted by Metrohaha
As for your problem, I'm not sure what they can do?

What they can do is to actually add Raider.IO in game instead of a Website first. Second, Make Raider.IO shows your actual Experience in M+ Overall even if it was the last expansion.

Because getting a +10 now isn't harder than finishing a +23 back in legion.
11/04/2018 06:27 AMPosted by Lacoste
My friends who originally wanted to push keys this expansion have all given up on them. They simply aren't fun.

2 of my best friends that I used to do them with back in legion are gone now because of this reason.

Adding a raider.io type interface will improve the experience for the few people who are spamming high keys, but will do nothing to improve participation overall.
11/04/2018 11:48 AMPosted by Valaire
Let them die. How many tiers of the same content do we need, anyway? First we had Normal. Then they added Heroic. Then Mythic. Then Mythic +. What's next, Super Duper Heroic Mythic +++++?

You can't fill the void in content by just altering the same old dungeons and raids into more and more tiers.


yep im ilvl 357 and i dont do m+.ilvl 355 is m+5 or m+6. a m+10 is mythic raid lvl gear.anything above a +6 is to much of a headache and they only do +10 runs..lol.

let them die and raider io with them.
In what? different? new art? new graphics?

BFA been out for months now... we already know every single "add" mechanic and the entire dungeons...

It's not like something new oh new dungeon omg what should we do...


Yes, in fact some people do not know all of the mechanics at higher keys. If it's so easy, prove you know them by doing them.

The fact that you think everyone knows these instances shows you're not arguing in good faith.
The sad thing is, Legion M+ were fun, but they're a real mixed bag in BFA.

However, if you've ever played FFXIV, you'll probably miss M+ just because XIV has NO difficult dungeons at all, every single one is faceroll.
11/04/2018 06:19 AMPosted by Metrohaha


As for your problem, I'm not sure what they can do?

Your primary complaint is that you don't enjoy some dungeons, right? How can that be solved?

Suggest some actual things that could change about them that might help you warm up to them, but realize that redesigning dungeons is just not something that will likely happen any time soon.

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Sadly that;s what needs to be done. Half the dungeons are straight up unfun, and tragically, it's mostly due to one or two mechanics. Temple, Avatar fight is just dumb. Cheese encounters like that shouldn't exist, much less be a boss fight or final boss. There should be an unmistakeable, giant baddie you hack down in every single boss fight. Too many "hit this switch, now press this button, now kill these guys, now say the magic word, oh look now boss is dead"

What makes dungeons fun to me are cleaves, AOEs to run from, interrupts, basic abilities. it's cool to make them hit harder, no biggie. Invulnerability totems, not cool. Hordes of mobs all healing each other, also not fun. Granting other mobs ridiculously out of hand bolsters, not fun. Stuff like that
11/04/2018 10:51 AMPosted by Comedy
Besides some tuning problems, which are easily correctable. BFA dungeons are x10 better than the ones in legion. In fact the dungeons are about all they got right this expansion. I actually can't really take anyone who thinks legion dungeons were better designed. Maybe if you like super easy dungeons.

The problem with mythic+ is the reward system and a shortage of players.

The dungeons are better but there’s a shortage of players?? How does that make sense?

I agree that some of the BFA dungeons are beautiful with fun fights but they all have too much trash compared to Legion. IMO Legion dungeons were perfect.
If you were at the mdi stage yesterday you wouldn't feel this way that's for sure.

As for your problem, I'm not sure what they can do?

Your primary complaint is that you don't enjoy some dungeons, right? How can that be solved?

Suggest some actual things that could change about them that might help you warm up to them, but realize that redesigning dungeons is just not something that will likely happen any time soon.

I tend to worry about people making comparisons to legion dungeons though, because I feel like they remember doing them when they were super over geared compared to what dropped and doing dungeons clearly not designed with affixes in mind.

Things are far more difficult now and they actually have real challenges each week. If you don't enjoy overcoming challenges like that, that's totally cool, but just realize that is an intentional implementation and not something that needs to be fixed.


Cut half the trash packs out of the instances is a great start.
11/04/2018 01:34 PMPosted by Zootzoot
11/04/2018 10:51 AMPosted by Comedy
Besides some tuning problems, which are easily correctable. BFA dungeons are x10 better than the ones in legion. In fact the dungeons are about all they got right this expansion. I actually can't really take anyone who thinks legion dungeons were better designed. Maybe if you like super easy dungeons.

The problem with mythic+ is the reward system and a shortage of players.

The dungeons are better but there’s a shortage of players?? How does that make sense?

I agree that some of the BFA dungeons are beautiful with fun fights but they all have too much trash compared to Legion. IMO Legion dungeons were perfect.


I’d argue the shortage of players probably has more to do with sub drops, lowered rewards and class design being worse (especially for a lot of tanks and in turn healers). Granted I don’t pug so while I don’t see those issues in the M+ side it’s easy to see why there would be issues, and I do see them on the raiding side for recruiting, especially in terms of rewards.
11/04/2018 01:19 PMPosted by Kwaii
Yes, in fact some people do not know all of the mechanics at higher keys. If it's so easy, prove you know them by doing them.

You said it.

"Some people"

I'm not some, I know the basic mechanics of every single trash pulls... and how to make it faster... and what does this add even do. "How would they know that?" 3k score in legion isn't enough for a +10? .. heck even I have 2 +10 in BFA in times.. but not that X dungeon.. isn't enough?

That doesn't mean I need 1k score to prove that I actually know what is going on... because i'm not going to waste my time to spam keys just to get my score higher..

THE POINT IS 1k SCORE DOESN'T MEAN YOU ARE ACTUALLY GOOD.

I saw people disband groups at 3k score back in legion..

The score is just there to prove that "oh hey, this guy actually spam keys all day night.. while others just care about 1 time +10 a week and they don't care if it's the same dungeon"

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