I Don't Have Time To Reach Rank 11-14

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So, you're a fan of scaling. It all makes sense now. You want to be able to wear quest greens and have a realistic shot at beating someone who put in the time and effort to get their epics. This sort of mentality is not only lazy, but borderline insulting to anyone who actually played Vanilla. I've never been an advocated for Classic EQ, but they should do it for people like you.


how much would you like to wager that he is a socialist ?


Why. Why do people feel this compelling need to make everything political?
11/14/2018 12:41 PMPosted by Feuerhuf
Why. Why do people feel this compelling need to make everything political?


Why would you expect the #NoChange crowd to be rational or reasonable?
This is why I'm looking forward to classic, not everyone can get the same thing, I didn't get any naxx gear back then but it was awesome when I saw a dreadnought or a robocop in Stormwind or Ironforge, it made the world feel more alive, different players at different levels, that's the way it should be.
11/14/2018 08:29 AMPosted by Zenshigen
Maybe for you, 90% of the people want to compete on even grounds not being obliberated by the guy that plays 20hs a day sharing account with his 2 roommates. Honor system needs a complete overhaul.


Your participation trophies are available on b4a. Enjoy.
Just out of curiosity, who is planning on getting ranks in PvP?

The reason I'm curious is because I'm wondering if you're okay with the fact that you will not be able to engage in world PvP without destroying all of your progress.
11/14/2018 01:08 PMPosted by Johnnyderp
Just out of curiosity, who is planning on getting ranks in PvP?

The reason I'm curious is because I'm wondering if you're okay with the fact that you will not be able to engage in world PvP without destroying all of your progress.


yes you can, just not city or town raids
11/14/2018 01:08 PMPosted by Johnnyderp
Just out of curiosity, who is planning on getting ranks in PvP?

The reason I'm curious is because I'm wondering if you're okay with the fact that you will not be able to engage in world PvP without destroying all of your progress.
There's always the chance Blizzard won't put in dishonorable kills, which didn't do what they were intended to do, and destroyed city raids.
11/14/2018 07:02 AMPosted by Agonyy
I Don't Have Time To Reach Rank 11-14 and this is perfectly ACCEPTABLE!

I actually like the fact that rank 11-14 is extremely hard to get and time consuming.

I don't care if it's not about skill, it is very RPG feeling in the fact that, the people who put in the most time and effort spilling the most enemy blood are the ones who get the best rewards.

as somebody who will NEVER have a chance of getting those ranks and items because;

1. I do not have time to do it
2. even if I did have time I still wouldn't do it because I mentally could not farm BG's that many hours for 3 months

I support the PvP system and think it is great, and acquiring the hugely powerful items is a big reward and a status symbol.

in Classic WoW the game is less about YOU and more about your guild. even if you are not the person to get rank 14, or a Legendary item it still feels awesome when your guild mates get them because it will make your guild stronger.

LOVE IT!


back when pvp was really its own game, unlike now. you put just as much time into pvp and gearing, as you did leveling and raid gearing. and it a great accomplishment on either side. I cant wait to see who reaches High Warlord.
11/14/2018 12:41 PMPosted by Feuerhuf
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how much would you like to wager that he is a socialist ?


Why. Why do people feel this compelling need to make everything political?

why as why? Try bud Dry.
11/14/2018 01:13 PMPosted by Moonblade
great accomplishment


ROFL.

Yes, winning the race of who can give as much of their life up as possible is a great accomplishment.
11/14/2018 01:08 PMPosted by Johnnyderp
Just out of curiosity, who is planning on getting ranks in PvP?

The reason I'm curious is because I'm wondering if you're okay with the fact that you will not be able to engage in world PvP without destroying all of your progress.


thats not how it worked. griefing was mainly punished, not world pvp its self.

like for example: if you are max level, dont gank a level 10. its poor behavior. but tarren mill vs southshore was still a thing. its just when you cross the line from world pvp and into disruptive and toxic behavior.
11/14/2018 01:10 PMPosted by Agonyy
yes you can, just not city or town raids
I guess that's what I meant. Should have said "city raids" instead of "world PvP."

11/14/2018 01:11 PMPosted by Mogar
There's always the chance Blizzard won't put in dishonorable kills, which didn't do what they were intended to do, and destroyed city raids.
Yea, but then it wouldn't be classic. It might even be universally accepted to change/remove the DK system, but as much as people don't like changes, I imagine that the correct way to make sure would be through a vote system.

-- and they're not going to ever make something like that on their sites. That opens a huge can of worms.
I hear you want an even playing field, but that is not what vanilla was. A large part of vanilla PvP skill was situational awareness. Looking at your enemy and knowing what gear they were wearing, so you knew if you should risk that encounter. Waiting for that really well geared player to slip up or blow that cooldown, and then engaging. Todays PvP is not the same game at all. Now everyone just Transmogs, so you have no idea what they are wearing. Gear doesn't even matter since everyone has essentially the same power (PVP). If you want a game like that go play retail or Battlerite IMO.

Leave vanilla, vanilla and please go play a different game. Stop trying to change something that millions of people loved, into something you think will make it better for YOU. That is not the point of this project.
11/14/2018 01:19 PMPosted by Johnnyderp
11/14/2018 01:11 PMPosted by Mogar
There's always the chance Blizzard won't put in dishonorable kills, which didn't do what they were intended to do, and destroyed city raids.
Yea, but then it wouldn't be classic. It might even be universally accepted to change/remove the DK system, but as much as people don't like changes, I imagine that the correct way to make sure would be through a vote system.
Why wouldn't that be Classic? A portion of Vanilla existed without dishonorable kills.
11/14/2018 01:10 PMPosted by Agonyy
11/14/2018 01:08 PMPosted by Johnnyderp
Just out of curiosity, who is planning on getting ranks in PvP?

The reason I'm curious is because I'm wondering if you're okay with the fact that you will not be able to engage in world PvP without destroying all of your progress.


yes you can, just not city or town raids


You can do city and town raids as well if you would like. The key is to join the raid>get to the gates>leave the raid>do not aoe congrats!
11/14/2018 01:08 PMPosted by Johnnyderp
Just out of curiosity, who is planning on getting ranks in PvP?

The reason I'm curious is because I'm wondering if you're okay with the fact that you will not be able to engage in world PvP without destroying all of your progress.


yes you can, just not city or town raids with idiots that like to kill civvies


FTFY. I participated in quite a few TM/SS wars, Crossroads raids, and Undercity raids without getting DHKs. If you group with randos you get what you get...
11/14/2018 01:17 PMPosted by Vaenora
11/14/2018 01:13 PMPosted by Moonblade
great accomplishment


ROFL.

Yes, winning the race of who can give as much of their life up as possible is a great accomplishment.


Isn't that what all video games like, especially MMOs? Even in retail, a person who has full 385's has spent considerable more time on gearing then a 340 player. Those with more mounts, pets, toys, and achievements put in more time then those without. Vanilla PvP rank system was just a bit more extreme in terms of its requirements but its all the same. The person who puts in more time will have more stuff. Deal with it.
11/14/2018 01:25 PMPosted by Mogar
Why wouldn't that be Classic? A portion of Vanilla existed without dishonorable kills.
A portion in alpha also contained a much larger Ironforge.

I think you know what I was referring to.
11/14/2018 01:23 PMPosted by Jimibob
A large part of vanilla PvP skill was situational awareness. Looking at your enemy and knowing what gear they were wearing, so you knew if you should risk that encounter. Waiting for that really well geared player to slip up or blow that cooldown, and then engaging.


Spoken like someone who didn't actually PvP in Vanilla, because this is complete hogwash. Unless they were wearing tier 3 you cared 99% about their class and 1% about the four pieces of gear you can see that they have at a glance.

11/14/2018 01:23 PMPosted by Jimibob
That is not the point of this project.


Says you. I don't personally see any reason not to have a better version of Vanilla where possible, without sacrificing the core philosophy that made Vanilla great of course.
11/14/2018 01:31 PMPosted by Altonius
Vanilla PvP rank system was just a bit more extreme in terms of its requirements but its all the same.


No, it's not all the same. The severity of something can change its nature entirely. If I put a knife to your gut and press lightly you have a dimple. If I press hard enough you have death.

The gulf between the Vanilla honor system and anything else this game has to offer is positively cataclysmic. You could raid all the way through Naxx on, say, 4 hours a day 5 days a week. No small time investment to be sure, but one that still affords basic human necessities like sleep, work, and real life social interaction. The Vanilla honor system on the other hand encouraged giving up your entire life to the cause, to the point that it was legitimate self-harm on the level of cutting or bulimia. Being technically on the same spectrum of "time investment" does not mean they have anything in common.

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