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Come on guys this is a game that has been alive for AGES! Give the developers a small break no one can be asked to organize this be reasonable!

Thank you Bashiok it was an interesting read.
You mean like shielding Tyrande, helping Tyrande hold off an entire army of undead on the bridge, helping Tyrande hold off an entire army of undead on an island that took both Malfurion, Illidan, the Naga, and the Night Elves to break through, giving Tyrande the power to resist the effects of the Nightmare, helping calm the Worgen from rabid beasts to not so rabid beasts (though it took a bit for Goldrinn to come around). Or how about the time where she healed everyone she tried to heal in WotA? Or that time Elune gave her weapons and bows made of Elunes power (Think that was WC3). Or that time she made night elven warriors made our of Elunes power. Or that time she steps in and turns a satyr back into a night elf after ripping his heart out without killing him. Or that time in Desolace where you find her relics, deliver the flesh of her enemies, and get granted weapons. And a massive stamina boost.

Or that time in Stormrage where she blessed Malfurion and Tyrande. Or that time in Teldrassil where she blessed Teldrassil. Or Omen, though he fell to the dark side.
So...should I really keep going?

Taking care of Tyrande almost exclusively doesn't really give her anymore respect, and she only shielded Tyrande against Lady Vashj. I don't see what the Desolace quests have to do with being a major event, other than Elune's priestesses staying behind after death to help others. Teldrassil? I think your must have meant Nordrassil, only Alexstrasza has blessed Teldrassil so far, and where was Elune during the big event prior to Nordrassil's creation, you know, the War of the Ancients?
06/23/2011 06:32 PMPosted by Jostie
I thought Blizzard even had us speculating Elune was in fact one of the Old Gods chained below the earth. Now they are proposing she is Naaru? It would make far more sense for her to be an Old God that is not corrupt. And it would make sense for her to be chained up either in northern Kalimdor or somewhere near where the Well of Eternity was.
That was player speculation. I've certainly never seen anything official suggesting she might actually be an Old God. That being said, in all the ancillary material published by Blizzard (including multiple sources that aren't the now non-canon RPG), they've always been quite explicit about her being a real deity, which the naaru are not. I choose to view the answer as simply Velen suggesting she might be one, in much the same way that some players have suggested it, without any actual truth to it.
06/23/2011 06:29 PMPosted by Ferlion
True. So, yeah, she has been more active than anyone in that camp.

The thing is, she's only 'more active' because the Pantheon are elsewhere, but the Old Gods are plenty active, what with corrupting the world and unleashing their minions upon it in order to free themselves from their prisons.
So the Church of Light has less lore about it? The tenants no longer exist?

Can you PLEASE have a thread or something about the Church of the Holy Light, what it is, what it is not, its theology, its philosophy? Please, throw us role-players a bone. :)

Paletress mentions them in the Argent Tournament Grounds.

Thanks for clearing that up. I'm more worried about where in the Light's name the Church fits into the modern world.
Oh, RPG books aren't Canon? What is this...?

"On the World of Warcraft official website, the Warcraft RPG is said to be an important part into getting to know more about Warcraft lore. In the "History of Warcraft" section section;
"Want to know more about the lore of World of Warcraft? The game doesn't require any additional reading to play. However, you might enjoy gaining a more detailed knowledge of Warcraft lore. Here are some resources that are available: ...RPGs... Warcraft Role-Playing Games provide a wealth of information about Warcraft lore."
Many of the creatures and some of the lore expand beyond what appears in the computer game."

"Like the MMORPG, Chris Metzen is in charge of the lore and uses the books to expand upon things in his view of the World of Warcraft. Many things do not show up in the MMORPG due to limitations of the game's scale and other gameplay mechanics. These limitations make the game incapable of showing everything. Metzen's personal view is that the history of Azeroth is not found in just one source, but includes the RPGs, novels, comics, manuals, and games."

"For example, in this interview, Metzen discusses a little bit about on how he uses the RPG to explain things within the World of Warcraft MMORPG.[3]
BI: How do the Gnomes fit back into Warcraft lore? They were notably absent from Warcraft III. Where have they been?
Metzen: I think we deal with it a little bit in upcoming D&D supplements. During Warcraft II, the Gnomes were, in effect, building weapons and lending designs to the Alliance — but they were staying out of any direct fighting. In Warcraft III and Frozen Throne, and even in World of Warcraft, it becomes clear that the Gnomes have had internal problems of their own for several years. As of World of Warcraft, they still offer support to the Alliance in terms of building tanks, designing weapons, sending flying machines, and so on. But they had a problem at home that has recently been discovered - an ancient menace from the depths of the underground, called Troggs. The Troggs invaded the Gnome's city of Gnomeregan and wiped it out. The Gnomes decided not to let the rest of the Alliance know about this because they figured that they could deal with it on their own. But Gnomeregan fell, probably thanks as much to the Gnomes' own actions as to those of their enemies - they likely blew themselves up with whatever failsafe devices they used to defeat the threat. After the destruction of their homeland, the Gnomes fled to the safety offered by their nearby allies the Dwarves.
Furthermore, Metzen discusses the RPG as an expansion to Warcraft lore within several Foreword letters within the RPG as well."

"Blizzard Entertainment As you might imagine, many of us here at Blizzard have been playing D&D and other paper-and-pencil games since we were old enough to get shot down by girls. Armed only with funny dice, a fistful of Number 2 pencils, and our raw imaginations, we set out to be heroes, explorers, kings. Whether we were facing down the mighty dragons of Krynn, getting stranded somewhere in the endless fields of Faerûn, trying to keep our wits about us in Castle Ravenloft, or boldly challenging the unknown in worlds of our own making, our collective love for fantasy roleplaying has been with us from the very start. We've been developing the Warcraft series for the past ten years or so — frankly, it feels like it's been in dog years — and it's been a truly amazing experience to build a rich fantasy setting from the ground up. I guess the countless hours we spent thumbing through our old, ragged DMGs and Player’s Handbooks paid off after all! Though developing the world of Azeroth has been tremendously rewarding on the creative front, seeing it made into an official Dungeons & Dragons product — Dungeons & Dragons Warcraft the Roleplaying Game, in fact — has been downright monumental for all of us. The book you hold in your hands builds upon the D&D Warcraft RPG. It is full of the strange yet wondrous creatures that populate the world of Warcraft. In many ways, this Manual of Monsters is like a time capsule for ten years’ worth of ongoing world development. Looking back over much of this artwork, an old phrase comes to mind — “the more things change, the more they stay the same.” Damn straight they do. Fat, two-headed ogres; wiry trolls with bright mohawks; hooded, spell-casting death knights: these guys immediately remind me of developing Warcraft II eight years ago. That was an amazing time for us creatively. Although it took a few years, introducing the new generation of creatures with Warcraft III proved to be just as exciting. Lion-faced, furry wyverns; centaur-like dragonspawn; ill-tempered quilboar and serpentine naga: they all rolled on to the scene and quickly dominated Warcraft's new visual landscape. Still, with every new batch of creatures we introduced, we held firm to the classic fantasy archetypes such as gnolls, kobolds, harpies, and hydras (among others) that we all grew up with. We've always felt that there is a precious balance between the classic motifs that define contemporary fantasy and the higher concept ideas that keep the settings we love fresh and distinct from one another. It's the merging of the “new” and “old schools” in fantasy that makes it such an engaging medium for us as developers, designers, and — especially — players. We sincerely hope you enjoy Manual of Monsters and use its creatures to fuel as many adventures as you can imagine! All right! Enough about the monsters already! Go and get 'em! Grab your dice, get out there, and give 'em hell! Good hunting, y'all!
- Chris Metzen (co-author), Creative Director, Blizzard Entertainment, 7/07/03 "

"In rebuttal to a poster that claimed that the RPG was not official, Eyonix had this to say: [5]

Blizzard Entertainment Any piece of literature authorized and licensed by Blizzard Entertainment is in-fact, official. The book series written by Richard A. Knaak in particular is an excellent example of real 'Azerothian' history and lore available outside of our game software. We work closely with authors that help us expand our game universe, and the information should be considered official.

I'm very sorry but your assumptions are not correct. - Eyonix"

Specifically this last one. Wow, you done messed up.

For serious guys.
Or she's omnipentent and knows that all will be well, even if she doesn't involve herself.
So Notheron was part of the Twilight Highlands all this time? I guess High Elves would have to be a sub-race now, seeing as they have no potential starting zone now.
Elune is a Goddess not a god damn windchime!

Am I to picture Cenarius as half naaru half stag now?
06/23/2011 07:14 PMPosted by Skellum
Troll gods are no longer actual gods. The forsaken are the only ones left with a god.

The trolls think wisps are loa, and the shadow is not a god.
06/23/2011 07:14 PMPosted by Skellum
Troll gods are no longer actual gods. The forsaken are the only ones left with a god.
The trolls mistook wisps for loa. That's not even remotely the same thing as "all loa are wisps."
06/23/2011 07:14 PMPosted by Skellum
Troll gods are no longer actual gods. The forsaken are the only ones left with a god.

Forsaken religion isn't theistic.

And Elune is a god.
Deathwings Old God Master is N'zoth. Its been stated quite a few times, even at Blizzcon
Elune is a Goddess not a god damn windchime!

Am I to picture Cenarius as half naaru half stag now?

We can't really be sure. All we know is that Velen noticed some similarities, it's been established that a single characters' perception doesn't always line up with actual lore.

Personally, I think Elune, the Ancients, the Loa, Hakkar, and the various unspecified animal spirits are all part of the same basic species. They came to Azeroth along with the Titans as allies, but at the end of the day walk their own path.

As a basic property of their physiology they take on the appearance of an animal that best defines their personality. Elune however is an extraordinarily powerful example that has ascended to a higher plane of existence. Aessina could also have undergone a similar ascension, although is still significantly less powerful then Elune.

Hakkar is simply an example of one gone horribly wrong. Maybe he was a bad apple from the start, or maybe he came under the influence of the Old Gods.

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