Gilneas, an idea for world pvp.

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Thread is capped continued here http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2973008845#6

The city of gilneas was originally intended to be a battelground. They shelved the idea for whatever reason. Now we have this beautifully designed city just sitting there.

So with all the recent threads about how world pvp is dead and people seem to want it back. Why not use Gilneas as a world pvp hub. Like Hala in Nagrand but better. Have it be completely player driven.

"But Darckshade we could go there and fight now". True but people these days seem to need some incentive(shiny things) to go fight somewhere. So here are a few ideas and if anyone wants to add please do and maybe they might take notice.

1. Players start the combat in some way. Like they do in Hala but not exactly the same.

2. There could be quests that give honor. These quests could be of the kill,gather or escort variety.

3. Full use of the terrain. Fight inside and out of buildings and the use of vehicles. By vehicles i mean like the cannons and small siege weapons used in the quest battle for Gilneas.

4. Increase honor gained for kills in the city. Not a ridiculous amount just enough to peak a pvper's interest.

5. Have vendors that offer unique rewards not attainable through battlegrounds or arena. They do not have to be uber weapons or gear but cool things you could not get any where else. Also no things that will become outdated quickly or things only usable in that area such as potions.

6. Add a continent wide buff for the holder. It could increase xp,honor, or whatever. Just needs to be good enough to get people to want to hold the city.

7. No time limits for battles. Do not restrict the players let them fight. By time limits i mean having to wait an hour to start another battle. If a faction wants to hold the city they have to be ready to fight at any time to keep it.

8. Limited or no flying within the city. If you come to fight you fight. If you want to leave hearth or hope you make it out of the city. Basically you could fly in but not mount a flyer once you land. As well as there should be guards to dismount players from flyers.

9. No sanctuary or a very small one. Come to fight or don't show up at all.

10. There should be a portal to the city. The portal could be placed where all the new zone portals are located in the 2 factions capitals.

11. Players are automatically flagged upon entering the city.

12. The conditions for victory in each section could change with each battle. There does not have to always be one way to win. Switch it up and keep it interesting and the city would be less likely to become a dead zone.

13. Guards should patrol. Not to say some stationary ones would be a problem but with a city like this it would add some surprises.

Those are just some ideas. Please feel free to add some if you got them. Maybe if it were to work they could add something like it in kalimdor.

Addition: With concerns for off hour times and server imbalance. One solution could be to set a limit to how long a faction can hold the city. So battles could start at any time but if one side holds for to long the city reverts after a set period of like 2-4 hours.

Or add a debuff to the holder after a set amount of time. That way if one side holds it for a long amount of time it would give the other faction a shot at taking it.

Addition by Boatmurdered: Make it like a city siege like Halaa where it can be done anytime, and that Npcs for the faction that control it guard the city sections you own. The city is easily divided into sections via bridges so it wouldn't be hard to do.

Example you control the chapel district. There's an indicator at the top of the screen that tells you how many guards remain in that area. Once the guards are down spawn a mini boss like say a chapel reverend, and once he's down then the area shifts to enemy control. Put different vendors only when you control a section in different areas to encourage pvp all over the place.

Addition by Jayjcat: Use phasing for imbalance issues if possible.

Addition by Stagnome: As it is the worgens homeland they could receive some buff. Nothing major maybe a movement speed increase or something fun but would not tip the scale in their favor.

Addition by Gerente: Each district gives a separate buff and is guarded by elite NPCs (this way soloers can't take the whole place over during off peak) the ultimate goal is to take over the entire 4 districts which in turn would grant the full continent wide buff.

Addition by Chillywindy: Have siege type battles on the outskirts of the city. Something that could affect one sides capabilities inside the city.

I like this idea as it adds room for more people and makes the battle feel less confined. By that i mean it would really feel like war. A real war would take place all around.


Edit: I will update this post with any suggestions people might have to make this something Blizzard might consider.

Edit2: If you like this idea please like the post. Lets get Blizzard to take notice.
Addition by Fraydin: I think there should also be 85 resources as another incentive. For example, remember that mine in the Wogen questline? Why not just stick a good amount of mining nodes in there and a few around the island. There could be herbs in places like the Blackwald. The whole zone could become an open PVP area with the city being the epicenter.

"But Fraydin, won't people just fly around and avoid each other?" Not if they disabled flying mounts. Think about it, have you ever flown around the whole zone? there are so many cool places that have never been seen by 90% of the game's players. With the resource nodes mentioned above, it would force people to run across each other and fight for them.

Keep in mind as well that the city has three entrances. That would be able to discourage people from keeping the opposing faction out of the city.

Addition by Cyirria: Also I would like to see Formations of NPC that fight each other aswell.... I love in Northrend when you have the Forsaken archers attacking the Ally camp.

This is good as it would add a dynamic feel to the area. They can be npc that hurt players and vice versa but not overpowered. Adds to making it feel like a war to have npc fighting each other.
Yes, yes yes yes this^ x100
Sticky requested.


Well thank you. It just makes sense to use it in this way. Seeing as how the forsaken already attacked it. Plus it gives the city some purpose other than just scenery.
I...i love you


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I've wanted this for so long... I may cry...
yes :D
07/20/2011 12:53 PMPosted by Darckshade
5. Have vendors that offer unique rewards not attainable through battlegrounds or arena. They do not have to be uber weapons or gear but cool things you could not get any where else.

Things like pets, mounts, standards, tabards, and unique potions are always something that players might enjoy. Potions that perhaps shapeshift you is a good example on the potions.

Things that are only usable in that zone are not so much in regards of high desirables.

07/20/2011 12:53 PMPosted by Darckshade
7. No time limits for battles. Do not restrict the players let them fight. By time limits i mean having to wait an hour to start another battle. If a faction wants to hold the city they have to be ready to fight at any time to keep it.

Dear lord yes!




However the only issue I see are imbalanced servers. You could still make it a queue type thing to limit the amount of players that are allowed in the battle specific zone at one time to maintain a 1:1 ratio. Or even bring back tenacity if it is required. Since there is no end-game goal in this one, it may be a good idea to use it in this case.
YES. PLEASE.

I would like the style too. Fighting around broken, war-torn buildings. I especially love the Gilnean architecture.

And yes, I posted on an alt. Because hes Gilnean. And a RPer. And he left his tea and crumpets on the dresser while he was escaping the blazing inferno that consumed his home.


Being on alt doesn't matter to me. I am just glad you and others like the idea.
Things like pets, mounts, standards, tabards, and unique potions are always something that players might enjoy. Potions that perhaps shapeshift you is a good example on the potions.


These are exactly the things i was talking about.

07/20/2011 08:52 PMPosted by Felise
Things that are only usable in that zone are not so much in regards of high desirables.


I agree completely.

However the only issue I see are imbalanced servers. You could still make it a queue type thing to limit the amount of players that are allowed in the battle specific zone at one time to maintain a 1:1 ratio. Or even bring back tenacity if it is required. Since there is no end-game goal in this one, it may be a good idea to use it in this case.


The only thing is a que system would take away the player driven aspect. By that i mean it wouldn't feel spontaneous. As i am suggesting a no time limit till next battle. Imbalances could be worked around with a buff though.
Make the vendors sell something that's not going to be outdated in a tier pvp gems, or shoulder enchants or the like. Pets, mounts, commendations you can turn in for city rep etc.

Make it like a city siege like Halaa where it can be done anytime, and that Npcs for the faction that control it guard the city sections you own. The city is full is easily divided into sections via bridges so it wouldn't be hard to do.

Example you control the chapel district. There's an indicator at the top of the screen that tells you how many guards remain in that area. Once the guards are down spawn a mini boss like say a chapel reverend, and once he's down then the area shifts to enemy control. Put different vendors only when you control a section in different areas to encourage pvp all over the place.

It wouldn't be hard to do, and could be a ton of fun.
07/20/2011 08:55 PMPosted by Ðeathwaggle
OP, it sounds solid, unfortunately I don't know about spending development time on something that will probably wind up to be a dead zone.


The thing is i don't believe it would take much. The city is already there. The ability to use vehicles already exist in the zone. You can use the forsaken ones when you do the quest battle for gilneas.

The only things they would need to add are quest npc's and maybe some fighter npc's. As well as vendors. Far as development on items and such we won't have to worry most of the stuff would be reskins anyway.
Im sure blizz has some sort if content patch idea for Gilneas in the future, and im sure it will involve PvP.
07/20/2011 09:06 PMPosted by Ilari
Im sure blizz has some sort if content patch idea for Gilneas in the future, and im sure it will involve PvP.


You might be right but why not help shape the idea.
This is a great idea!

An idea about the apparent problem about it being too unbalanced. Make the area phased, so it only allows so many horde/alli to join. This would have to be ratioed, as in if there are 10 alli, then there can only be 12 horde, but two alli could join. After the two alli joined, then more horde could join. Etc.

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