4.3 - "Well of Eternity"

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09/19/2011 06:43 PMPosted by Blazephy
what if their using it to steal his power?? just saying.. you never know..


The reason why the dragon soul affected the other aspects is because DW stole their essence and sealed it within the artifact. None of Deathwing's essence was put into the device when it was created so, much like the 1 ring from LotR, its master is the only one truly capable of wielding it.

Well, except Metze... er, I mean Thrall apparently.
09/19/2011 07:07 PMPosted by Bomdanil
what if their using it to steal his power?? just saying.. you never know..


The reason why the dragon soul affected the other aspects is because DW stole their essence and sealed it within the artifact. None of Deathwing's essence was put into the device when it was created so, much like the 1 ring from LotR, its master is the only one truly capable of wielding it.

Well, except Metze... er, I mean Thrall apparently.


I think they will pretty much shove it into Deathwing and let it ripe him apart when we tare his armor off.
I just wish Thrall wasn't the center of all the newer lore.
That quote from the interview was a little off. Thrall does not go back in time with players to the Well of Eternity. Players will go there to get the Dragon Soul, which will then be given to Thrall to be delivered to the aspects at Wyrmrest. Players will escort him as he carries the Dragon Soul to Wyrmrest in the third dungeon, Hour of Twilight.

Thrall is not a part of the first or second five-player dungeons. He's the central figure of the third dungeon (and I hear if you fail and he dies, his death animation is pretty epic). He also plays a small but pivotal role in the raid, Dragon Soul.

09/19/2011 01:36 AMPosted by Eoghen
The second instance is called "Well of Eternity," where players go back in time to see Thrall grab an item called the Demon Soul in order to use it against Deathwing himself.

players go back in time to see Thrall grab an item called the Demon Soul

Thrall


WHAT.

Thrall had absolutely nothing to do with this. Unless we are now changing the course of history, which I thought we were not supposed to do no matter what.

I don't know, I suppose it's too early to tell. Everything else about 4.3 looks incredibly cool. That just troubled me.
Welcome to Thrall Online.

Seriously the OP is right, Thrall is being passed around the game like mana crystals at a belf party.

It needs to stop.


As WOTLK was the paladin/dk expansion, cataclysm is the shaman expansion. Thrall is the world's most powerful shaman, and he left the Horde to become the shaman organization's leader, and HE is literally the leading force in the fight against Deathwing (besides the aspects). Someone has to pick up the Demon/Dragon Soul, and the way WOW works the devs aren't going to just have you yoink the item yourself, that would be as stupid as giving the players Frostmourne. They can't let any single player have the huge responsibility of using the Soul, so they give the responsibility to the most important helpful NPC of the xpac, Fordring in WOTLK and Thrall in Cata. Seriously, Twilight of the Aspects set this all up, and in a believable fashion. In short, some NPC has to take on the responsibility, and Thrall is pretty much the only logical choice. And what's wrong with Thrall anyway?

Also, those mana crystals in Silvermoon are huge!
09/19/2011 07:11 PMPosted by Aquidia
I just wish Thrall wasn't the center of all the newer lore.

Sorry, but he is the protagonist in this expansion, so it'd be a little weird if he played no role in helping to stop Deathwing. :)
Yeah the obsession with Thrall is becoming annoying.

Sadly, Blizzard's design style and lore seems to all be getting much narrower over time anyway.

They've narrowed the focus from a vast expansive world to InstanceCraft.

They've narrowed the major storylines of the lore to revolve around a few key characters whilst the development of other key characters and racial leaders is pretty much ignored.

Really, it goes back to Blizzard putting less resources into WoW than they used to overall.

Burning Crusade shipped with 13 dungeons, all with a Normal and Heroic mode; 3 full raid instances - Karazhan (Tier 4 - 10 man), Serpentshrine Cavern (Tier 5 - 25man) and Tempest Keep (Tier 5 - 25 man). It also had two short raid instances in Gruul's Lair (Tier 4 - 25man) and Magtheridon's Lair (Tier 4 - 25man).

BC also had a huge number of factions to gain rep with, world bosses, rare spawns, etc. And ALL of this was brand new content.

Since BC ended, Blizzard has been putting a lot less into WoW and giving us less content overall, and much of the content we do get nowadays is recycled.

That's not to say we haven't had good content since BC, because we have. Ulduar was a masterpiece. Icecrown Citadel and Firelands were good raids. Throne of the Four Winds was majestic.
Daily quest hubs have gotten better.

The issue is that for the amount of resources available to Blizzard compared to other small game companies, Blizzard really is releasing WoW content in alarmingly small doses now. They should really be providing much more quality, lore-filled content of all types (5 man dungeons, raids, quest hubs, world pvp zones, battlegrounds, etc) than they currently do.
I just wish Thrall wasn't the center of all the newer lore.

Sorry, but he is the protagonist in this expansion, so it'd be a little weird if he played no role in helping to stop Deathwing. :)


Can we please stop having one main protagonist every expac. In Wrath it was Tirion, now its Thrall, I can already imagine Me'dan ending up as our super OP mage/shaman/pally Guardian helping us kill some super powerful world destroying villain.
09/19/2011 07:20 PMPosted by Zarhym
Sorry, but he is the protagonist in this expansion, so it'd be a little weird if he played no role in helping to stop Deathwing. :)


This says a lot about the design philosophy when it comes to story for Cataclysm so far. Aren't the players supposed to be the protagonists?
what if their using it to steal his power?? just saying.. you never know..


The reason why the dragon soul affected the other aspects is because DW stole their essence and sealed it within the artifact. None of Deathwing's essence was put into the device when it was created so, much like the 1 ring from LotR, its master is the only one truly capable of wielding it.

Well, except Metze... er, I mean Thrall apparently.

um ok but i don't know if you know this but on deepholm there is some tracese of Neltharion, the Earth-Warder blood they can .. oh i don't know mayyy..be steal his essense from there? maybe.... probably... im pretty sure ... huh?
just saying

i mean why the quest of trying to recover the earth wonder back on deepholm then?? am i the only one that remebers that quest?? or did you guys skipt it?
The Lore needs a central point in which to gravitate, otherwise it would become detatched and frayed.

I admit I had my doubts about Cataclysm's storyline(s), but this has proven me a silly fool.
09/19/2011 07:25 PMPosted by Zerde
, I can already imagine Me'dan ending up as our super OP mage/shaman/pally Guardian helping us kill some super powerful world destroying villain.


I'd have ye walk the plank just fer suggesting that.
Welcome to Thrall Online.

Aggra pops into the scene: His name is Go'el!
Yeah the obsession with Thrall is becoming annoying.


What obsession? Just because someone appears more than others in a story doesn't mean they are obsessed with that particular character.

And Thrall has pretty much been the main character of Warcraft since like Warcraft 3.
09/19/2011 07:27 PMPosted by Saihah
Sorry, but he is the protagonist in this expansion, so it'd be a little weird if he played no role in helping to stop Deathwing. :)


This says a lot about the design philosophy when it comes to story for Cataclysm so far. Aren't the players supposed to be the protagonists?


so naive... you are part of the story, not the story itself, if you want to be the center of the story go play something that is one player
Yeah the obsession with Thrall is becoming annoying.


What obsession? Just because someone appears more than others in a story doesn't mean they are obsessed with that particular character.

And Thrall has pretty much been the main character of Warcraft since like Warcraft 3.


Warcraft 3 - Nope. Arthas was THE main character of Warcraft 3...which progressed from his impetuous nature as a paladin under Uther's command to the Culling of Stratholme where he ordered Stratholme cleansed and Uther/Jaina wanted no part of it. Then we saw Arthas seek out and claim Frostmourne, kill his father and become King...then become a Death Knight and later join with Ner'zhul to become the Lich King.

Thrall wasn't the main character then. He was ONE of the other main characters, along with Malfurion, Illidan, Tyrande and Jaina. He didn't really play any bigger part than any of those other 4 in WC3. Indeed, you could probably argue the Stormrage Brothers were both more prominent than Thrall also in WC3.
Illidan at least was certainly more prominent and focused on than Thrall in WC3 The Frozen Throne.

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