I will never go back to normal raiding again.

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I don't see how LFR won't get old very fast.
12/07/2011 05:20 AMPosted by Sumaki
Sounds like you guys should be playing single player games.


It seems to me that WoW's endgame content is gated more by guild culture than skill or difficulty or anything else. There needs to be a far better way to find guilds consisting of players with compatible temperaments and schedules. It's not as if WoW is lacking in diversity; these players are already out there.

As it stands, finding a guild in this game is completely impersonal. It's like attending a job interview, without the professionalism, and you don't really know if it's going to be a good fit before gaining some experience actually playing alongside the random people you're <blind dating>.

It may be confirmation bias on my part, but it seems like Blizzard is taking steps to try to remedy this problem. They've recently made attempts to implement in-game guild finding functionality - and, I don't know if anyone else here has noticed, there seems to be a significantly increased rate of players from your own server appearing in the random heroic instances. If this is intentional, it should be really encouraging. The ability to friend and meet up with the same players repeatedly means that organic gaming relationships would have a chance of developing through successes in instances, which in turn is what normally leads to guilds consisting of compatible players in multiplayer games. And, thereby, satisfying endgame experiences.

The LFR tool gives would be raiders something to do while stuck in the inter-guild deadspace instead of cancelling. They can even learn something about the fights and gain some compatible tier so that they aren't left completely behind normal mode progression, which itself can become a barrier to finding a compatible guild as content patches age.

Yeah, LFR is relatively easy. It's also a great idea. I think it has a chance of being good for guilding in WoW, and therefore good for the game in general.
If it's intended for those that are simply time constrained then why did blizzard make it leaps and bounds easier??

I'm sure you're all nice ppl. I am just really frustrated at the slow downward spiral of this game since vanilla. I love the game. It's just REALLY changed from 7 years ago and it's because it caters to the people that DIDN'T make it a successful game... and making a "25m RAID" this easy just erks me. It's just as easy as a cata reg dg.

And who exactly made it a successful game? People who have been playing from the first Warcraft? From Vanilla? I would like to know who you are talking about.

If it is those people well I've been playing that long and I like the way the game has changed and so do others who have been playing as long as I have.

I dont see it going in a downward spiral. Subs went up a lot in BC, it wasn't like Vanilla. Subs peaked in Wrath, it wasn't like Vanilla. It has all changed. Maybe players who were all hardcore in Vanilla have changed. Families and jobs and may not have the time they once had.

LFR is also easy due to it being pugs. No vent, no real raid leader, and trying to coordinate that many ppl who don't know each other and some who may not be raiding material would be a nightmare if the difficulty was tuned to say FL prenerf. They want the raid to be successful and not fall apart over wiping on the first boss several time.

There is nothing wrong with an easier version of a raid to let others see the content. We have normals and hard modes to do.

Great post i use to be a raider raided in all other expansions. Now i work graveyard while my guilds raid time are when i work. In fact most of are raiders now work diff shifts have not been Able to down anything as a guild. None of will leave cause we love the guild, now we can all do the content and dont have to worry about it.

Great tool we love it thank you blizz.
I, too, am thrilled with LFR. I have participated in the fall of deathwing. I'm happy. Even if I don't do it again, at least I can say I got to see him die. And yes, it was fun to do it in a 25 man. Seems a lot more "epic" that way.

There will be a lot of naysayers, and their opinion is perfectly ok. Not everyone has to like LFR raiding. But I do.
I couldn't agree more with this thread.

I am a long term gamer but far from a hard core gamer. I don't have countless hours to grind away learning every single aspect of a GAME.

It's a GAME b/c it's fun to play however it's fun for you to play.

If you think LFR is too easy, form a guild, play hard cores, raid heroic etc.

For me though LFR is perfect. I have finally recently finished AQ 40 b/c I was able to find a couple people to do it with. I still haven't seen most of the BC raids, I haven't killed the litch king, but I will get to see end game content while i'm in that expansion's lifespan.

If you don't like that, I'm sorry. I'm finally getting what I paid for conent-wise, just as you can experience the harder versions and obtain higher level equipment if you have the time to do it and you enjoy doing it that way.
I am not the best player of this game... but nor am I the worst. I am medium. I dabble in all areas... I master none. I've raided, I've pvp'ed, I've collected, I've achievement-!@#$%d. Many have done these things better than I, but still... I've at least done decent at all of them.

That said... today I have finally killed an expansion's final boss within the life of that expansion. Within his first week of life no less. Something I, an average player... never did in the previous expansions.

He may have been a sissied up version of himself... but I do not care! I am thrilled and more than pleased with the LFR tool. Leave the harder versions and the fancier loot to the people who care for such things. This is all I need.

As someone who played Warcraft 1, Warcraft 2 and Warcraft 3... but never any MMOs before this. This is all I've ever wanted.

This game has never been about the loot or the prestige for me. I've always just wanted to SEE the content. I want to SEE the characters. The cutscenes. The story. I want to meet them, talk to them, kill them. Whatever. Just wanted to do it. Loot was always just a means to that end for me. I wanted to see how the world of warcraft unfolded... in its entirity. FIRST hand. Without watching videos second hand on youtube, or reading about things on WoWWiki...

That said... LFR takes everything I've ever hated about raiding and makes it go poof. No more guild politics and BS. No more people yelling in vent. No practicing and grinding for months and months only to wipe and wipe and never even get to see that final boss. No more obligations. No more schedules. No more cares! I AM FREE! From here on out, I can kill EVERYTHING and owe NOTHING TO ANYONE! HOORAY!

I can finish a raid on my own time. On my own terms. I am warm and fuzzy inside.

My only complaint is that it wasn't backward compatible to the old Cataclysm raids... which I still have yet to see. A slight dissapointment... but oh well. Guess I'll have to see these later... once I've outleveled the content, just as I did so many others in the past.

But I can't tell you how excited I am that every tier of raiding moving forward into Mists of Pandaria will have this feature. I'll once again be excited for each and every patch day!

You'll note from my achievements... I didn't do one damn ounce of raiding in Cataclysm this past year... like many... I was growing tired of this game. And trying to do and see new things became more of a chore than a fun time... so my interest simply faded.

But today Blizzard, as I smote Deathwing with only minor headaches and a reasonable amount of wipes... I found myself having fun again. Well done!

There are kinks to smooth out to be sure... but I am very pleased with the LFR tool... and I will never go back to normal raiding again. The hardcore raiders have their hardcore raids... and I the average person, now have mine...

Hip Hip Hooray

Omg, I share your joy! I don't know about everyone else, but the guild politics, vent screaming, and months of endless wiping just kills the immersion for me, which is why I never enjoyed raiding. But now, all of that is gone in one patch. Blizz, you're moving in the right direction this time. GJ.
I for one, even though I am in a guild now on my shaman that allows me to keep up with content and still see the end bosses for raids, absolutely adore the LRF. For my main it allows me to check out and practice fights since sometimes the strat videos can be a bit confusing if there are a ton of boss mechanics, and for my alts it allows them to also get to raid. It allows me to experience the raids in as many roles as I want to try out without the issue of guilds wanting your main only with the rare alt run. (Or alt runs that just fill up super quick. :( )

I wish they had done this earlier to be honest. I know some people fuss about how easy it is, and I agree, it does seem a bit easy considering half to three quarters of my PuG groups have not a clue what they are doing, but honestly, I can deal with that for the sake of seeing the lore. It was the lore that attracted me to WoW and then kept me there. Sure, fancy loot is nice to look at, but really, it's the story and the characters that make the experience so exciting for me. I can't explain how disheartened I was in Vanilla through Wrath to time and time again see a new patch come out before my guild had reached the end boss and knowing that my GM would push us into new content instead of finish the old. Even then, pushing us to jump to the next raid we still knew we would not get to see that end boss either most likely unless it was a short raid.

And then there was Burning Crusade where raids were either 10 man or 25 man. That was a disaster. My guild was rarely able to get 25 people together due to the fact that a lot of them were either parents, people who worked 10-12 hour shifts, or kids. We never searched actively for new players because we were a guild made up of friends, family, and good acquaintances. Most times any really good raiders we had would leave due to slow progression. The only time we got 25 people was joining up with our sister guild, made of people who raided even less than us, so raids were always just constant wipes on the first boss.

It was sad seeing some fights with my favorite characters come and then pass me on by because all the guilds with openings either did not want the classes I played, did not having a time that I could make, or rejected me because they were now almost into BT and my guild was still bad running Kara for a year straight. Still regret not having been able to fight them back when they were appropriately leveled content.

Not ever having to worry about that should I no longer be able to raid with my new guild is a great great feeling. Titles, mounts, achievements, and loot are fun too, but really it's the story that's most important to me.
Yay you beat the expansions final boss WITHIN 1 WEEK of being released. Now all that's left for you to look forward to for the next 6 months is grinding gear.
12/07/2011 06:50 AMPosted by Sevoac
Yay you beat the expansions final boss WITHIN 1 WEEK of being released. Now all that's left for you to look forward to for the next 6 months is grinding gear.

Well, before LFR, all there was to look forward to was grinding gear. So this is still an improvement.
Great post! I can't wait to try the LFR; I've been putting it off because I wanted to get geared up in the new heroics 1st.
12/07/2011 06:50 AMPosted by Sevoac
Yay you beat the expansions final boss WITHIN 1 WEEK of being released. Now all that's left for you to look forward to for the next 6 months is grinding gear.

As to before where all people did was stare at content in videos they never got to see or grinding endlessly on the first few bosses for loot in hopes that maybe they'll be able to even get close to the end boss before there is a new patch and their guild moves on. Or you know, guilds that still grind bosses for gear over and over for months in order to get that hard mode kill anyway. So basically, it's not much difference only now at last you can know basic boss mechanics before hand for guild runs.
Our experience has been really good overall. Our guild has occasionally made fitful attempts at raiding, but they never went anywhere. With LFR, a group of about 7 or 8 of us went in these first two weeks, and it really got people excited to try out normal modes. That kind of excitement is infectious and we might actually get somewhere with it. That never, ever would have happened without LFR---the most we ever did in Firelands is trash rep runs.

One guildie was kicked from the group for only doing 37K on the final Madness of Deathwing fight, which was kind of a downer, but that just makes us more inclined to get our own guild group running where that kind of crap won't happen.

Unfortunately, my WoW crashed just after Deathwing died so now I need to go hunt down the final cinematics.
12/07/2011 06:18 AMPosted by Normie
Sounds like you guys should be playing single player games.

Oh, for God's sake, get out of this thread.

You first.
I have been playing this game for about 4 months and am looking forward to be able to do raids and heroics. I believe this is a great move and I just do not understand the QQing some people are doing. If you have been reading the forums regularly there are a lot of complaints out there about there not being enough so called ""GOOD"" players or "Raids are dying" comments.

Why all this QQing, this is the best thing that could happen to hard core raiders. This move introduces a huge amount of players to raiding and I bet it will wet the appetite of many players to move into normal and heroic raids. This can only be a good thing.

I've seen some comments in the forums about how some raid guilds are using LFR to check out and recruit new players, so instead of complaining about LFR they are using it as a tool to bring more players into hardcore raiding and so should you.

So as far as I am concerned this is a huge plus for both elite and casual players.
12/07/2011 07:04 AMPosted by Zemocrates
One guildie was kicked from the group for only doing 37K on the final Madness of Deathwing fight,

Wtf....37k is good dps!

12/07/2011 07:04 AMPosted by Zemocrates
Unfortunately, my WoW crashed just after Deathwing died so now I need to go hunt down the final cinematics.

They have it on MMOChamp if you haven't tried there yet :)
For me 25 man raiding was the best. I didn't want do do 10 mans, and on my server, there were no 25 man horde raiding guilds in Cataclysm. One on the alliance side.

LFR is a way for me to enjoy the 25 man experience without having to bother with all the waiting nonsense. Raiding was fun when you could take 18 people into a 25 man and still down the first boss or two. Not when you had to have full set of players every day and it had to be the same set of players every time.

LFR is awesome. Like many other people, I'd like to see all the other Cata dungeons added to it so that I can actually see what the bosses were this expansion.

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