Shared Achievements?

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For example, this toon is my Ironman Challenge toon, I do not want her to have any achieves that do not go with the challenge. Its not part of the challenge to have cooking and tailoring , etc which my main already has maxed.


What? You made a toon with the goal for 1 achievement? And if that is the case you should have gone with a Druid. I'm one of the worst PvPers out there and I got that one. Perhaps your referring to something else?
About honorable kills count. I like the idea of shared number but only one toon can get credit at a given time so people that use multibox dont get a big advantage.
02/07/2012 11:30 PMPosted by Offbalance
For example, this toon is my Ironman Challenge toon, I do not want her to have any achieves that do not go with the challenge. Its not part of the challenge to have cooking and tailoring , etc which my main already has maxed.


What? You made a toon with the goal for 1 achievement? And if that is the case you should have gone with a Druid. I'm one of the worst PvPers out there and I got that one. Perhaps your referring to something else?


Its for the Ironman Challenge playstyle : here is the link to the forum info:
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3967848837

but my point was not everyone plays the End Game Gear Grind, Raiding ..... I suppose if this change is tied to MoP I can just not purchase it and then wont have to worry. Will have to see what they come up with. I just want to OPT OUT of this on a global scale.
02/07/2012 05:36 PMPosted by Vaeflare
we plan for the system to apply to all achievements -- not just those added in Mists of Pandaria.


Vaeflare, could you please provide us with a little more information reguarding this? I am very excited about account wide achievements but I am also concerned about the details.

I think what people are most interested in discovering s how you plan to handle title, mount, pet and tabard rewards at the account level.

Will achievements that provide rewards share the rewards at the account level?

Will items (tabards, mounts and pets) that provide achievements be shared at the account level if the achievement for such an item is shared.

I have a few examples that I feel will help us better understand how you intent to approach this.

Scarab Lord - If the achievement becomes account wide, would the title and mount also become account wide?

Swift Zulian Tiger - I obtained this on my DK during Wrath. If the achievement for the mount becomes account wide will my old main (priest from launch / vanilla) have access to this mount?

Herald of the Titans - Would something like this become account wide?

Tabard of the Protector?

Tabard of Competition and associated pet?

Some of these items come from the achieves, some of the items give the achieves.. Will this effect how items and achieves are shared account wide?

Meta achievement mounts are rewards of achieves.. rare mounts give achieves.. I don't think something like item=achieve or achieve=item should separate what is shared account wide..

Also.. I was wondering how you feel about an account rewards vendor much like the guild rewards vendor.. For example someone who completely a raiding meta achievement (and got it in the mail for that main toon) would have access to it unlocked at the "account rewards vendor" and could take their alt to the account rewards vendor and for a small price purchase that mount

Lastly, if you can not respond with specific answers can you still give us some sort if idea how you're leaning on this issue? Thanks!


Our goal is to make it so that you feel like you only have to get an achievement once. We think the time and effort you put into achievements should be evident regardless of which character you’re playing. The update will be implemented at the Battle.net level and, as such, would apply to all of the attached World of Warcraft licenses on the account.


I was just about to ask about that, so excellent - cheers for that.
With Mists of Pandaria, account-wide achievements will indeed become available at the Battle.net account level, and many achievements will be shared among characters. A wide array of achievements will certainly be covered, including achievements that relate to everything from raiding and PvP to maxing out professions and assorted fun challenges. We really love the idea that players will at last be able to proudly display proof of the full scope of their adventures around Azeroth, regardless of which character they choose to play on any given day.

While we are still working out the details regarding how various specific achievements will interact with the new system, once we have a bit more information to share with you, we’ll certainly let you know.


This could very well be the saving grace for retaining players like me and this feature might undo the damage that the current guild system has caused.

I like collecting things and doing achievements in a soft core way and it was profoundly disappointing to discover that things like cooking recipes/achieves and pets were out of my reach unless I joined a big guild that had access to them.

Some of my toons I am happy to have in such guilds, and several are. But I don't want to feel like I am permanently stuck with my main toons with 30-100 other ppl (online at a time) some of whom I don't care for, would not willingly spend time with or actively despise. And turning off gchat is not an acceptable solution - because I do want to socialise with my guild mates.

Also I am quite attached to my original little guild and I don't want to move my 'achievement' toon out of it. So it is a bit of a catch-22 situation, to play the game the way I enjoy it, I feel obliged to move this toon to a perk-laden guild, but then I can no longer play the game the way I enjoy it because of the increased exposure to antisocial ppl.
With Mists of Pandaria, account-wide achievements will indeed become available at the Battle.net account level, and many achievements will be shared among characters...


OMFG, you made my day. I love my 'lock, but want a little variety.
Few questions/concerns I'd like to know about this system.

Shared achievements sound awesome. I have a lot of characters that I don't feel like doing the same achievements on again such as Loremaster/Insane/Raids. My big question comes from mount achievements and mounts in general.

I have a few mount achievements such as Raven Lord, White Hawkstrider, Red Proto Drake and the Holiday Proto Drake. Will I get those mounts on all my toons?

Also I know it has been talked about with the pets becoming account bound for the pet battles but what about mounts? It was touched upon briefly at Blizzcon I believe but I want to know if it's been discussed anymore? I have several mounts that I'd really like to show off more but they are mostly on one character.

Any update on the mount situation would be great. Thank you for the addition of the shared achievements though at least and keep giving us updates!!
02/06/2012 05:52 PMPosted by Vaeflare
With Mists of Pandaria, account-wide achievements will indeed become available at the Battle.net account level, and many achievements will be shared among characters. A wide array of achievements will certainly be covered, including achievements that relate to everything from raiding and PvP to maxing out professions and assorted fun challenges. We really love the idea that players will at last be able to proudly display proof of the full scope of their adventures around Azeroth, regardless of which character they choose to play on any given day.


Does this mean achievement mounts I've won on other characters (glory of the hero drakes, ICC drakes, ect.) will be available on all of my characters since they will be distributed at the battle.net level? Or for instance, I have the ZG raptor on my Shaman. Will my hunter be able to mount up on it?
I am just wondering if the it will be solely be shared achievement or will it extend to account achievements.

I understand that it will generally be along the lines of if I get X achievement of X character then all characters on my battle net account will be awarded the achievement. But will it also be a case of if X character does this and so does Y character will I get an account achivement? (along the same lines as guild achievements).

For example:

Achievement - 'I has skills' reach maximum level of 600 for 4 primary professions across your battle.net. account.

Achievement - 'I has mad skills' reach maximum level of 600 for 6 primary professions across your battle.net. account.

Achievement - 'I has epic skills' reach the maximum level of 600 for all 11 primary professions across your battle.net account.

(I am just assuming the next profession level cap will be 600)

I sure hope this will be the case!
I have an important question about this with regards to faction changes.

Let's say you have an alliance toon and you've done a majority of the achievements - including all of the zone specific quests AND the argent tournament achievements.

When you faction change this toon, you lose all of your argent tournament ones + certain zone quest achieves.

Now you have some alliance characters and some horde characters on your account.

When the account wide achievements go into effect, will your alliance toons regain these lost achievements? Do you think it would take a snapshot on the day it gets implemented, or would it look at the database history and see which achievements you've had in the past for each side?

I know if I faction change back, those achievements will come back to my toon.

Thx
02/07/2012 05:45 PMPosted by Atamynn
Could this account-side logic be applied to Heirloom equipment in the future, such that we can send the items across realms? I understand the programming in the current model would be a complete devil, but if the Heirlooms are ever fixed up to be given to the Battlenet account itself, could they be assigned to a given character/realm via the account options?


In terms of Bind on Account items, we believe that using the mail system to transfer heirlooms from one character to another is less than ideal. We’d like to work ourselves away from that sort of item distribution model, and have some design goals in mind that would change the mechanics of how heirlooms are distributed in-game.

We think it would be wonderful to simplify the system so that, for example, you might have a constant heirloom page across all your characters that you could peruse and select from at your leisure. Conceivably, we could do something similar for pets and mounts.

As always, these sorts of design ideas are constantly being evaluated. I just think it’s worth pointing out we’re not currently aiming to create a system that would allow players to mail heirlooms across realms or accounts. We believe that would be a sub-optimal design, and we have better solutions in mind for the future.
Could this account-side logic be applied to Heirloom equipment in the future, such that we can send the items across realms? I understand the programming in the current model would be a complete devil, but if the Heirlooms are ever fixed up to be given to the Battlenet account itself, could they be assigned to a given character/realm via the account options?


In terms of Bind on Account items, we believe that using the mail system to transfer heirlooms from one character to another is less than ideal. We’d like to work ourselves away from that sort of item distribution model, and have some design goals in mind that would change the mechanics of how heirlooms are distributed in-game.

We think it would be wonderful to simplify the system so that, for example, you might have a constant heirloom page across all your characters that you could peruse and select from at your leisure. Conceivably, we could do something similar for pets and mounts.

As always, these sorts of design ideas are constantly being evaluated. I just think it’s worth pointing out we’re not currently aiming to create a system that would allow players to mail heirlooms across realms or accounts. We believe that would be a sub-optimal design, and we have better solutions in mind for the future.


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Jokes aside, i really think everything shared would be great. At least it would push people to try new classes and roles to be their MC without the issue of losing your hard work work and rewards.
If achievements are going to the Battle.net level, are there plans to one day have Starcraft and Diablo achievements visible in WoW and vice versa?
02/08/2012 05:37 PMPosted by Vaeflare
We think it would be wonderful to simplify the system so that, for example, you might have a constant heirloom page across all your characters that you could peruse and select from at your leisure.


This sounds good, but I'd like to suggest that you still only have 1 heirloom item at a time rather than a book full of a million heirlooms that you can send to all your characters. That way, enchanting an heirloom becomes meaningful as you must take into account who is getting that heirloom, and if you want one with a different enchant you get a second heirloom. But then I'm an enchanter who makes money from other people's heirlooms, soooooooo....
Yaaaaay!!! This is one of the main reasons I will be sticking around for MoP, soooo excited, been looking for this change to come for a while. I kind of have 2 mains at the moment with mismatched chieves (one with Insane title) and would be nice to share these more time consuming/difficult ones with all my toons!

Would love to see or hear a confirmation on whether or not all Mounts/Pets will be shared account wide as well, but for now I am content with this update. :D
We’d like to work ourselves away from that sort of item distribution model, and have some design goals in mind that would change the mechanics of how heirlooms are distributed in-game.

We think it would be wonderful to simplify the system so that, for example, you might have a constant heirloom page across all your characters that you could peruse and select from at your leisure. Conceivably, we could do something similar for pets and mounts.

As always, these sorts of design ideas are constantly being evaluated. I just think it’s worth pointing out we’re not currently aiming to create a system that would allow players to mail heirlooms across realms or accounts. We believe that would be a sub-optimal design, and we have better solutions in mind for the future.


That sounds rather juicy.

Maybe not mailing cross realm... but maybe... a couple of extra bankslots that are account-wide accessible?!
:brings in Mylune to make the Big Eyes:
In terms of Bind on Account items, we believe that using the mail system to transfer heirlooms from one character to another is less than ideal. We’d like to work ourselves away from that sort of item distribution model, and have some design goals in mind that would change the mechanics of how heirlooms are distributed in-game.

We think it would be wonderful to simplify the system so that, for example, you might have a constant heirloom page across all your characters that you could peruse and select from at your leisure. Conceivably, we could do something similar for pets and mounts.

As always, these sorts of design ideas are constantly being evaluated. I just think it’s worth pointing out we’re not currently aiming to create a system that would allow players to mail heirlooms across realms or accounts. We believe that would be a sub-optimal design, and we have better solutions in mind for the future.


While it is good to know a much more convenient and reasonable method is under discussion, I must ask if it is really worth delaying this sort of thing even more just so the developers can find an ideal or "perfect" system? These items were intended to be Bind on Account and were released with Wrath of the Lich King. Considering that Cataclysm is essentially come to a close, we have gone more than 3 years and two expansions with these flawed items, and judging by your answer and all other recent ones by various CMs, this will not be something we see for Mists of Pandaria either. This is beyond ridiculous, it is downright absurd.

First we couldn't even send them to the opposite faction, then later they became able to be sent to different characters on the same Battle.Net... on the same server.

The fact of the matter is, BoA items should have been Bind to Account three years ago. Is the reason why this feature is so heavily delayed simply because the developers are trying to find a prettier method to handle them than just using the mail feature?

I know it must be more than just adding a "-Servername" in the mail, but with Cross-Realm dungeons, battlegrounds, and even raiding, Real ID which allows us to form pre-made groups across realms, and so on... I find it rather ridiculous that we STILL can't do something as simple as mail some items with gold text. At the very least there should be a change for Customer Service to allow players to request transfers of BoAs once every three months. After the first massive explosion of requests, it will hardly be an issue since everyone will be on "cooldown".

This is a highly in-demand feature that is long overdue. I see no legitimate reason to delay this any further, especially if it is just so we can have a nice little BoA window. That is a change for the long-term, short-term allow us to mail them.

I don't think any reasonable player would object to being forced to pay 30c and make the trek to a mailbox to mail BoAs. At least then we don't have to spend days farming Justice or Honor points to repurchase the exact same items over and over again.

Apologies if my post came off rude or demanding. The intent was to voice my opinion as constructively as possible, but my frustrations are not exaggerated. I am a little irritated that I've farmed entire sets for multiple armor/weapon types on several servers. It has been a colossal waste of time and, for the head and back pieces, money.

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