Reasoning behind race / class restrictions

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03/28/2012 09:25 PMPosted by Dryker
Given that Paladins were once the hottest stuff the Alliance could put out, and are now on par with any Tom, Dick, or Harry Everyman, I don't know if I'm against the idea, as the paladin has lost enough prestige as it is, or for it because it's lost so much prestige that it doesn't matter.


I'm starting to feel this way about the High Elves and ridiculous class combos.

It's just getting to the point where I'm tired of people arguing about them and want them over with, shoved into a corner, and never spoken of again.
03/28/2012 09:24 PMPosted by Pyronaptor
1. To make easy money of course (farmers use horses, etc...), and class back story does = lore, there's a reason why they chose those names...

So the Goblin wouldn't truly have a Spirit bond with his Kindred Spirit? He's only using it to get money after all.

Game mechanics =/= Lore. This is common knowledge. It is what makes a Troll and a Human Priest different, a Forsaken Rogue and a Gnome Rogue different, a Night Elf Huntress and an Orc Hunter different.


Just because RL hunters use their dogs to get a job done faster does not mean that they wouldn't care if it got shot...

You got some weird logic, my man

03/28/2012 09:24 PMPosted by Pyronaptor
2. That's not a paladin, paladins are always defined as a warrior; that's just a priest that knows how to pull back a string

I never said it was a Paladin.

It is the Paladin equivalent that the Night Elves have. Paladins and Priestess of the Moons are both warriors who fight to spread their religious beliefs across the world.


What makes those priestesses, warrior like? The fact they fight? Ok then, all classes are now warriors...
Just because RL hunters use their dogs to get a job done faster does not mean that they wouldn't care if it got shot...

You got some weird logic, my man

A Goblin is a lot different than a RL person.

The bond between a Beast Master and his companion is MUCH stronger than someone and his horse, or someone and his pet. To the point where they're tekepathic with each other, almost.
03/28/2012 09:30 PMPosted by Valtýrael
What makes those priestesses, warrior like? The fact they fight? Ok then, all classes are now warriors...

The fact that they wear plate, and that they were a Warrior Class in Warcraft 3.
Just because RL hunters use their dogs to get a job done faster does not mean that they wouldn't care if it got shot...

You got some weird logic, my man

A Goblin is a lot different than a RL person.

The bond between a Beast Master and his companion is MUCH stronger than someone and his horse, or someone and his pet. To the point where they're tekepathic with each other, almost.
03/28/2012 09:30 PMPosted by Valtýrael
What makes those priestesses, warrior like? The fact they fight? Ok then, all classes are now warriors...

The fact that they wear plate, and that they were a Warrior Class in Warcraft 3.


1. What if they were specc'd into marksman? lol

2. Idk, they just don't sound like warriors to me, sounds like a priest / hunter thing; and plate shouldn't make a hunter into a warrior
03/28/2012 09:37 PMPosted by Valtýrael
1. What if they were specc'd into marksman? lol

A Marksman hunter has the same bond with his pet that a Falconeer has with his bird.

Goblin Hunters are predominately survival, using their expertise in explosives.
03/28/2012 09:37 PMPosted by Valtýrael
2. Idk, they just don't sound like warriors to me, sounds like a priest / hunter thing; and plate shouldn't make you into a warrior

To you. They were a Warrior Class, and are described in a very similar light to Paladins, no pun intended, but instead of working for The Holy Light, they work for Elune, and they don't use melee weapons, they shoot from tiger back.
1. What if they were specc'd into marksman? lol

A Marksman hunter has the same bond with his pet that a Falconeer has with his bird.

Goblin Hunters are predominately survival, using their expertise in explosives.
2. Idk, they just don't sound like warriors to me, sounds like a priest / hunter thing; and plate shouldn't make you into a warrior

To you. They were a Warrior Class, and are described in a very similar light to Paladins, no pun intended, but instead of working for The Holy Light, they work for Elune, and they don't use melee weapons, they shoot from tiger back.


1. Survival then, what if their buddy got hit by one of dem explosive thingies

2.Ya to me, alot of this just comes down to opinion.
03/28/2012 09:46 PMPosted by Valtýrael
1. Survival then, what if their buddy got hit by one of dem explosive thingies

I have no clue what point you're trying to make.

What I'm saying is that different classes between different races are different. Troll Shamans are Witch Doctors, Orc Shamans are Far Seers, Tauren Shamans are Spirit Walkers. So on. So forth.
03/28/2012 07:35 PMPosted by Cortelas
Every race should be able to be every class. This is a roleplaying game. I should be able to play the role of a night elf or Draenei warlock. If i can kill them in game then i should be able to kill as them. Dont give me the "Their culture frown upon the use of X magic". Every culture hates shadow magic as much as the next. You pulled the reasoning for Tauren Pallys out of you butt when I could kill an undead pally in Naxx. Dont talk to me about "immersion" when you can pvp in battlegrounds as a 1 foot high skeleton.


If this happend the Horde would be nothing but blood elfs.
03/28/2012 09:47 PMPosted by Pyronaptor
1. Survival then, what if their buddy got hit by one of dem explosive thingies

I have no clue what point you're trying to make.

What I'm saying is that different classes between different races are different. Troll Shamans are Witch Doctors, Orc Shamans are Far Seers, Tauren Shamans are Spirit Walkers. So on. So forth.


I agree

03/28/2012 09:49 PMPosted by Nathreim
Every race should be able to be every class. This is a roleplaying game. I should be able to play the role of a night elf or Draenei warlock. If i can kill them in game then i should be able to kill as them. Dont give me the "Their culture frown upon the use of X magic". Every culture hates shadow magic as much as the next. You pulled the reasoning for Tauren Pallys out of you butt when I could kill an undead pally in Naxx. Dont talk to me about "immersion" when you can pvp in battlegrounds as a 1 foot high skeleton.


If this happend the Horde would be nothing but blood elfs.


Coming from a DK who is a Belf, (Dk's can be every race)

Anyways I would not pick Belf if I actually had much of a choice of horde pallies
03/28/2012 09:51 PMPosted by Valtýrael
Coming from a DK who is a Belf, (Dk's can be every race)


Just because I'm a blood elf doesn't make me wrong.

Besides I picked blood elf because they had some of the most exposure to the Scourge in the lore Horde side.
03/28/2012 09:58 PMPosted by Nathreim
Coming from a DK who is a Belf, (Dk's can be every race)


Just because I'm a blood elf doesn't make me wrong.

Besides I picked blood elf because they had some of the most exposure to the Scourge in the lore Horde side.


But the fact that I wouldn't be Belf if I had the choice does make you wrong. There wouldn't be "nothing else" bc I would be something else...
Semantics besides your missing the point the reason besides lore that we have restrictions is so one race doesn't become the overwhelming majority.

http://www.warcraftrealms.com/census.php?serverid=-1&factionid=2&minlevel=10&maxlevel=85&servertypeid=-1

Look how bad it is now.

The alliance has similar problems with Humans and Nelfs.

http://www.warcraftrealms.com/census.php?serverid=-1&factionid=3&minlevel=10&maxlevel=85&servertypeid=-1

But if you could be a pally of any race what would it be?
The one thing I will add to this thread is that night elf paladins require very little additional lore to make them a reality - in many ways, the Priestess of Elune unit from Warcraft 3 is very much of a paladin analogue, being a warrior drawing her power from Elune.
This is an interesting topic. I once heard that the reasons Tauren and Draenei can't be rogues can be boiled down to this.

1. Tauren are too large and bulky to pull off the more subtle moves the Rogue specializes in.
2. The more underhanded lifestyle of the rogue goes against Draenei religious beliefs.
That 'paladin', Sir Zeliek, is the exception, not the rule. Like it or not, immersion and lore is considered to be a very important thing for Blizzard.


*Falls over laughing uproariously*

But if you could be a pally of any race what would it be?


Goblin, Undead, or Troll would all be cool
03/29/2012 08:19 AMPosted by Elenie
That 'paladin', Sir Zeliek, is the exception, not the rule.


No, not really.

http://www.wowhead.com/npc=30202#abilities
http://www.wowhead.com/npc=46092#abilities
http://www.wowhead.com/npc=46096#abilities
http://www.wowhead.com/npc=9447#abilities
http://www.wowhead.com/npc=9448#abilities
http://www.wowhead.com/npc=10828#abilities
http://www.wowhead.com/npc=16063/#abilities

and some ghosts
http://www.wowhead.com/npc=7071#screenshots
http://www.wowhead.com/npc=17913
http://www.wowhead.com/npc=17911
http://www.wowhead.com/npc=17910
http://www.wowhead.com/npc=17914
http://www.wowhead.com/npc=17912
If you played Blood Knight you know they used paladin abilities but if you don't want to take my word for it...

http://www.wowhead.com/npc=18873#abilities
http://www.wowhead.com/npc=21058#abilities
http://www.wowhead.com/npc=18872#abilities
http://www.wowhead.com/npc=22452#abilities
I like the idea of race/class restrictions being removed. Just because a certain combination doesn't have existing lore basis presently doesn't mean it couldn't work. Even if, say, taurens aren't paladins in the same way that humans are paladins, the various races all really should be able to find ways to mimic or invoke similar powers as existing "proper" classes. The notion of a class is a lot more fluid than some want to grant, I think.

For example, if the blood elves were capable of bending the Light to their will, why not nature? Clearly this is a possibility (see: Eversong, that sin'dorei in the Botanica). Boom, blood elven druids. Not a druid in the sense that a night elf is druid, but totally plausible nonetheless.
There isn't really a reason for it any longer, if they want to make the choices canon, all they need to do is exclude those non-canon racial classes from existing as npcs. Otherwise let people play their weird combos. We won't even need to go to a trainer to learn skills any longer, there are fewer issues preventing it now.

If they decide to make the combination canon with storylines in the future, it'll make those existing players even happier.

Once they find out how to make/tint warlock fire green, we'll have an opening for Forsaken Zealots.

Devout warriors of the Cult of the Forgotten Shadow that use their twisted powers of the shadow (emulating a Paladin) to bring justice/balance between the light and shadow.

If they want to give forsaken a more painful route with the light, I'm all for that, but I'll settle for the above.

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