Comprehensive Gaming PC Guide Discussion - IV

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Build 2 will max WoW (shadows @ high) with no effort
Would this be a decent build or would you suggest changing a few things?

CPU
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116775

Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128540

RAM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231277

Graphics
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150617&Tpk=Radeon%20HD%207850%201GB

Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817703035&Tpk=MK%20III%20500W

Hard Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148767

DVD Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827151244

Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119233&Tpk=HAF%20912
Graphics:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102998

Cheaper and better.

You can find 1TB hard drives for about $20 more.

8GB set (2x 4GB) is about $20 more.

Otherwise, it looks good.
Alright, thanks a bunch.
hello, do i need an upgrade if i want to play guild wars 2 and world of warcraft in ultra setting smoothly?

this is my current spec :

Phenom II X4 955 BE
Sapphire Radeon HD 5850 Ext.
2 x 2GB Corsair Dominator
Gigabyte 990FXA-D3
Amacrox Freestyle pure 650W

which part the cheapest the upgrade yet affect much in gaming performance

thanks ! :)
HD 5850 is still a very serviceable graphics card, so only upgrade at this point is to do a CPU upgrade.

If your current motherboard has support for AMD FX, I would wait until Piledriver (Vishera) CPUs come out, and see how well they stack vs. Ivy Bridge / Haswell CPUs.

But if you don't want to wait, your option is to get an Intel CPU + motherboard + possibly some more RAM.

That said, current spec should run those two games well as it is.
HD 5850 is still a very serviceable graphics card, so only upgrade at this point is to do a CPU upgrade.

If your current motherboard has support for AMD FX, I would wait until Piledriver (Vishera) CPUs come out, and see how well they stack vs. Ivy Bridge / Haswell CPUs.

But if you don't want to wait, your option is to get an Intel CPU + motherboard + possibly some more RAM.

That said, current spec should run those two games well as it is.


well yes it is support FX, i don't know AMD going to produce another highend proc, i've read somewhere that they going to stop produce highend proc because bulldozer failed
thanks for the information, i will look up this Vishera

changing to intel based cost too much, can't afford it atm

does upgrading ram to 8gb really affect the performance?
If you use 64-bit OS, it can help, but not that much
hey kalg, you happen to know anything about the Antec 1200 full tower case? i have the antec 900, and i'm about to start a completely new build now that i'm working again. i like the look of the 1200, but some of the reviews mention issues with utilizing all of the drive bays(some said you have to remove a front fan to actually use all of them) and other issues with different feature placements.

i plan to keep this new build for a LONG time, so i'm carefully considering options...
yeah im using 64bit, i think i will upgrade it since ram isnt very expensive :)

thanks kalg for your help ! /cheer
hey kalg, you happen to know anything about the Antec 1200 full tower case? i have the antec 900, and i'm about to start a completely new build now that i'm working again. i like the look of the 1200, but some of the reviews mention issues with utilizing all of the drive bays(some said you have to remove a front fan to actually use all of them) and other issues with different feature placements.

i plan to keep this new build for a LONG time, so i'm carefully considering options...


Don't know much about that full-tower, I've actually been looking into mini-ITX builds more lately. Keep looking up more reviews and decide. :)
Okay so now my computer is built, I have Windows 7 installed. Now I want some informations about getting internet on it.

It's a second PC in the house, and I would like to know how I can access the wifi of my house on my new PC.

Thanks
You must install wifi adapter (usb or internal) first to the PC, then install appropriate driver.

Then connect it to your home wifi name.
Hey there, Kalganized!

I absolutely love reading your comprehensive gaming pc threads. I think I've read them completely at least nine times.

With that said, I have a few questions!

** SSD optimization tips:

There are some extra work you have to do to ensure full performance on your SSD.

- SSD firmware makes a rather big difference in maintaining speed and reliability of the drive. Because of this, before you proceed with installing Windows on the SSD, update the firmware on the SSD if there is one for yours. You should continue to update it whenever possible, especially if you use a SandForce-based SSD.

How can I update the firmware without having an operating system on the ssd?

- Always do a fresh install of Windows 7 on the SSD. This is because Windows 7 does bunch of extra tasks specifically designed for the SSD during the installation only. Do not copy over your OS as it is to the SSD.

I'm currently using a seagate HDD and I have my copy of windows 7 loaded on it. I purchased the SSD yesterday and want to run the OS from there along with a few games.
Will Microsoft let me have windows 7 installed on both hard drives for the same computer or will I have to choose only one drive?


- Once installed, disable Windows Search, and drive indexing on the SSD. Also fix Windows swap file (virtual memory) to fixed size (1GB~2GB) on the SSD.

I have no idea what that means. Where do I find these options? What is the purpose of doing this step?


- Leave Windows 7 and programs + specific games you want to see speed boost on the SSD. All "data" such as music, movie, pictures, and all other games, should be on the mechanical hard disk.

Is it possible for me to load wow on the SSD and keep my addons on the HDD? I'm absolutely dreading having to redo all my addons. I'd love to be able to transfer my addons to the SSD. Is that possible?

For your reference, my build consists of:
i5-2500k @4.3 ghz
Asus P8P67
8 gb ddr3 1600
Seagate 320 gb 5400 rpm ancient HDD.
new - Corsair Force 3 120 gb SSD
Seasonic X650 Gold
HD 6870

Thanks for your time!
Answer 1:

Most SSD vendors will supply you a USB or CD boot image which you can use to boot from, then it will update the firmware before system ever gets to boot from the SSD.

Some of them allow this to take place within Windows, but I wouldn't do that personally.

Answer 2:

Since your old HDD won't be used to boot from, the OS on your HDD is effectively 'non-existent'. So it'll be OK.

Answer 3:

Windows Search can be disabled through: Control Panel -> Programs and Features -> Add/Remove Windows Features (on left pane).

Drive indexing can be disabled by right clicking the SSD in Windows Explorer (not IE), then clicking Properties. It's at the bottom.

Windows swap file size can be modified by right clicking Computer then clicking Properties, or Control Panel -> System, then clicking Advanced System Settings (on left pane). On the new window that pops up, click on Advanced tab, then click "Settings" for the Performance section. New window pops up. Click Advanced tab, then click on the Change button for the Virtual Memory section. From there, ensure SSD drive is chosen (it would be by default). Instead of letting Windows manage it, click the first option (user adjustable option), then enter 1024 for both minimum and maximum, or 2048 for both minimum and maximum (I went with 2048). Click OK, you will have to reboot.

Answer 4:

You do not have to 'install' WoW. Just copy over entire WoW folder from HDD to the SSD. You can then play as you did before. I strongly recommend you do NOT copy WoW folder into Program Files (both normal and (x86) folder.
Thanks for the speedy response!

Everything looks good, except my ssd didn't come with a usb or cd.
Suppose I could just buy a USB flash drive and load the firmware onto that, then have the computer boot from the flash drive?

And I wasn't aware at all that I could copy over files from HDD to SSD. That's going to be a life saver.
Yeah, you have to visit the SSD vendor website, and see if they have latest firmware for your exact SSD model (in some cases, they differentiate based on the size of the SSD, so double check that the firmware is for your SSD). Download whatever they offer you for it on the USB drive / CD, then use that on the new PC and boot from it.
Why do you recommend not putting wow into the program files?
It'll have problems with add-ons unless you have full blown admin power
So just copy it directly onto the hardrive or w/e?

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