Comprehensive Gaming PC Guide Discussion - IV

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I ended up getting a i5 3450, 8GB 1600, 560 Ti 448, 128GB Samsung 830, GA-B75M-D3V

I'm pretty happy with it, especially for the price.
It was an upgrade for me also, for sure, and I'm almost never experiencing any slowdown.

In AV, for instance, at the Alliance bridge on a good turtle (30-40 vs 30-40):

I get 150 FPS when nobody is around at all.
I get 75-80 FPS when both sides are looking at each other across the bridge, not fighting.
I get 30-50 FPS when both sides are fighting it out on the bridge.

I'm playing at 1920x1080, with all but shadow quality (low) set to max.

Now you mention that this setup is as good as it gets for WoW.
Is it possible with a better setup I'd never experience any dips or slowdowns at all, even in 40v40 PvP situations?

Just curious :)

Thanks a whole bunch for all your help.
I always recommend your thread to all my guild members looking for a new PC or upgrades.
Don't think that is really possible. No matter how pro your system is, there will be lowered FPS in such a situation. Basically, engine limitation, I would say.

Mind checking my parts out? I have a monitor, keyboard and mouse. I will pull DVD from previous computer. I live by a Microcenter too so I may pick up some parts from there like the processor. I mostly play wow and some d3. No plans to OC.

What is the difference between the gtx 560, 560ti, 560se etc? TY!
In terms of power level, from weakest to strongest

560 SE


560 Ti

560 Ti 448 Core Edition

It should be noted some HD 7850s can be found at a close price to 560 Ti. HD 7850 destroys 560 Ti.

That said, as for your overall build, I got nothing to change. It looks great. I would consider an SSD if you can spare extra $110 or so, it'd make a huge difference in day to day computing.
I just contacted microsoft for a new keycode for windows 7, said i was building a new one, that I had purchased windows 7 already but they stated I have to purchase a new copy (i contacted via chat), is there any other way to approach it to be given a new one? (Saw that mentioned in your guide)
Which one is better ?


The latter.

1) 16GB of RAM does nothing for you in gaming

2) HD 7850 beats the crap out of GTX 560

But these computers have poor choice of components, so I cannot recommend you to buy either. Reason being:

1) DDR3-1333 RAM with Ivy i5? You should be getting DDR3-1600

2) B75 motherboard paired up with overclock-capable i5. The problem is, B75 does not support overclocking. What's the point?

3) Questionable bad power supply.
There will be another round of price cuts for AMD graphics cards soon.
I will update the guide accordingly when they are live.

The 7800 series as well as 7950 is expected to have their prices cut to as follows:

HD 7850 will start at $209, likely to dip below $200 line after rebates.
HD 7870 will start at $250, likely to dip around $230 after rebates.
HD 7950 will start at $320, likely to dip around $300 after rebates.

This will put significant pressure on nVidia as they still don't have anything at $200 range, and the HD 7950 will beat GTX 660 Ti when overclocked.
Radeon 7850 at $209, Radeon 7950 for $320 o.O

Yay for price wars Based on your high-end build.

Realising it's probably overkill for WoW, but I am looking to livestream from raids.

Budget: $1500, including monitor, but not mouse, keyboard, or OS (lovely student freebies, and not parting with my Naga or Corsair Vengeance).
Overclocking: My first foray into this!

I liked the appearance of this case better than the 912--admitting a fondness for bright colours, here. As far as lifespan, I'd like it to last through at least four years of raiding, and be able to be upgraded to that end.

So I really have three questions:
1) What would you recommend for a monitor in the $200 range? 24" is preferable, but I'd go down to a 21" for a serious graphics upgrade. I'm concerned particularly about some things I've been hearing re: monitor latency--like that some of the IPS ones have 30ms worth! By comparison, I typically game at 9-12ms of latency.
2) I run a dual-boot system with Linux; is there still a serious issue of part compatability?
3) The last time I built a system, there was a serious argument going on about the relative superiority of jumpers vs. DIP switches. From what I've heard, that's mainly gone the way of the dodo, and that such configurations are mostly worked out in BIOS these days. What else has changed in the past eight years about the actual building process?

Your guide is amazing. Thank you. <3
Not a whole lot you can do with $200 for monitor budget. ASUS 24" TN monitors can be found for that range.

Nope, as long as you deal with partitions correctly.

Computer building has become extremely easy today. Just plug the hardware in, plug the usual plugs into correct spots, and you're done. The most "difficult" part of the building is when you plug in the case wires into the motherboard (such as power switch etc).

As for your build:

Unless you go with a cooler shaped like NH-D14, there's not much benefits with going with more expensive CPU coolers than a CoolerMaster Hyper 212+ / EVO.

That particular Gigabyte motherboard needs to say D3X for proper SLi/XFire support. The -H variant does not have proper SLi/XFire performance support.

Sound card is not needed for today's PC. Decades ago, they were a must, but now, on-board audio is just as good.

Power supply is overkill for a single GPU build. If you won't SLi that 670, 500W is all you need. 80 Plus Bronze is enough too.
Guide is updated for the graphics cards section, and that impacts example builds due to a fairly big shuffling.
Sigh. On the one paw my procrastination seems to have actually paid off for once since I haven't bought a new graphics card (or anything else yet), but on the other paw now I have to re-evaluate everything again. >.<
When nVidia completes their Kepler lineup with GTX 660 and 650 Ti, AMD may drop prices further... but I don't think they will do so anymore unless they want to thoroughly destroy nVidia @ $200 range.
Final build, any thoughts on that before I buy?

OS :
You can save some $ by going with i5-3450 with no real loss in performance, but it's about $15 difference.

Otherwise, looks good. You definitely did your homework... although I'd consider getting an SSD if able.
Alright, for 15$, i'll keep that one even if for now it won't make a big difference. Thanks a lot for your help, that's appreciated a lot.
first off I want to say thank you Kalganized for the time that you have put into this thread! I have learned a ton from reading it (it has taken me 3 days to do so, but worth it)

I am currently playing on a viao desktop that is getting close to 7 years old (yes I know I am way over due) and I have finally convinced myself that it is time to bite the bullet on a new system.

This will be my first build from scratch and I am excited and nervous. I was hoping you could look over my components and see if I am missing any incompatibility issues. I plan to begin in a few days and any help or suggestions would be appreciated.

P.s. I know that there are cheaper towers out there but I would like to go with a more professional look than one that screams "gamer rig" (more than likely it will be in my office).
This is the one I really like but can't justify the $100 price difference

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Intel Core i5-3570K Ivy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 77W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 4000 BX80637I53570K
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Plextor M3 Series PX-128M3 2.5" 128GB SATA III Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
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All prices are via newegg and I intend to shop them.

Thank you in advance!
If you can afford a little more $, you can find HD 7870s for about $30 more.

750W power supply is overkill for a single GPU setup. Consider 500W.

RAM is more expensive than usual (tighter timing). Usual price is $47. It also has a fairly tall heatsink. May interfere with Hyper 212 EVO.

Sabertooth is a very expensive board. Unless there's a feature you gotta have from it, you can buy just as good motherboards (with less fluff features) for $140ish.

Plextor is phasing out M3 SSDs for M5 series. Also consider other alternatives.
Your sample builds have me slightly puzzled.

Comparing builds 2 and 3, and it seems like the differences are upgrading the CPU form i3 to i5, and adding an SSD. According to the detailed guide that should be about 75 dollars for the CPU and 100 for the SSD, but the estimated price difference is 300 dollars.

Also, both systems have estimated WoW framerates of 50+. Why would I pay the extra 300 dollars? Is the extra performance only noticeable in more demanding games than WoW?

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