Stone Bulwark Totem

Shaman
09/20/2012 07:59 PMPosted by Amaravati
2) Ele has to actually cast their heals, so they do run the risk of interruption, but they also have higher baseline mitigation from physical damage than mages due to wearing mail and having a shield. Shields are a lot of passive mitigation. Plsu they have access to the defensive cooldowns in Tier 1.


So what if we are comparing to spell damage? Where is your higher armor then?
It's also very easy to gloss over the fact that Mages have access to their Armor spells too which, depending on the armor, can provide either passive magical or physical mitigation.

They also have very accessible snares and a few roots to help keep melee at bay and let's not forget the ridiculousness that is Blink, a 15s c/d stun break, root break, and gap opener.

The disparity only worsens at level 90, where the vast majority of PvP Mages will also have Incanter's Ward (another absorb on a 25s cooldown), and there will also be the new PvP set bonuses. One halves the cooldown of their level 87, damage mitigation, ability (Alter Time) and the other makes Counter Spell the best interrupt in the game.

Mages have a lot of mitigation in MoP, Shaman do not come anywhere close to that sort of survivability and the gap only becomes larger when you factor in control and escapes.

At the end of the day though even if Mages need to be toned down that's not really important. What is important is that Shaman need to be tuned up.


In actual fact, a shaman has better roots then a mage now.
09/20/2012 08:51 PMPosted by Kreyyn
In actual fact, a shaman has better roots then a mage now.


What?

First, this is about bulwark.

Second, how do you come to the conclusion that our single choice of either frozen power OR earth grab makes our one utility root better than frost mages' 2 baseline and an addtional talent?
Sitting there casting heals doesn't mean you gain 25k health(average of what my heals heal for atm) every 1.5 seconds. You're gaining very little because there's actually a player attacking you during that time and by just sitting there healing it's also giving their cooldowns time to come back up. It drains your mana too, so just because elemental can heal when they want doesn't mean it's going to help at all.
09/21/2012 06:23 AMPosted by Polaski
In actual fact, a shaman has better roots then a mage now.


What?

First, this is about bulwark.

Second, how do you come to the conclusion that our single choice of either frozen power OR earth grab makes our one utility root better than frost mages' 2 baseline and an addtional talent?


6 second cd root > 2x 25 second cd roots that share dr with each other. Also, it's generally not worth taking frostjaw over ring of frost.
09/18/2012 11:34 PMPosted by Nazor
The totem is incredibly crap and blizzard will see this when no one takes it over Astral Shift (which is very good).


Remember Stoneskin Totem? Blizz never fixed that in the entire Cata expansion.
who cares learn to purge!!!!!!
They should just make it stun if damaged like stone claw use to do, make the shield undispellable, and reduce the cd to 30 seconds. The absorb amount is fine.
The 'you can heal' argument doesn't even make sense because shadow priests not only have better offhealing than the dps specs of shamans, they also have access to PW: S, which is on a 6 second cooldown/15 second forbearance and absorbs as much as Ice Barrier.

Stone Bulwark is really, really weak. As a mitigation tool it's hardly worth the point. Astral Shift is weak, really weak. Nature's Guardian is weak. That entire first tier of protective talents is half-baked and just cutting the cooldowns/increasing effect would do wonders.
who cares learn to purge!!!!!!


So while your being obliterated, you should return fire spamming purge and after your finger is tired and you've finally removed that pesky Ice Barrier your now sitting at 15% health only to watch that Mage re-apply it and receive an achievement titled "Idiot".

No thanks ill pass.
I only read bits and parts of this thread, but is SBT gonna scale better at 90?

And the only complaint I have is that it no longer stuns when attacked. If it still did that, I would be a happy camper.
So what if we are comparing....etc


I was responding to the initial whine, which concerned itself specifically with Ice Barrier. I'm not arguing that mages aren't generally more powerful in pvp than dps shaman.

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