MoP 5.4 Elemental Guide: Zap that Orc!

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7 pages, still no sticky
09/30/2012 03:09 PMPosted by Chillbros
7 pages, still no sticky


Sticky now!
09/30/2012 05:55 PMPosted by Amaravati
7 pages, still no sticky


Sticky now!


Indeed. Victory!
So, i was thinking about some questions...

Did PE really have only 2-3% less dps in a ideal test. First cause of the Spiritwalk, so you'd cast Lava Burst even if you need to walk.

And about EoE, did really work good?
WHAT DID YOU DO TO MY BELOVED GUIDE
10/01/2012 04:40 AMPosted by Naitemary
Did PE really have only 2-3% less dps in a ideal test. First cause of the Spiritwalk, so you'd cast Lava Burst even if you need to walk.


Yep. I've seen ideal tests where the best/worst combinations of level 60/90 talents were a grand total of 3.5% dps apart, though that was a good long while ago >.>

10/01/2012 04:40 AMPosted by Naitemary
And about EoE, did really work good?


Yes. While it's probably the least noticeable of the 3 level 60 talents it's the strongest for sustained dps (though EM will generally win out for burst.)
Nevermind
For Pre-Raid BiS, why not Links of the Lucid instead of Ring of the Wakener? It has spirit/haste vs hit/mastery and has more stat points.
10/02/2012 09:33 PMPosted by Ingrathis
For Pre-Raid BiS, why not Links of the Lucid instead of Ring of the Wakener? It has spirit/haste vs hit/mastery and has more stat points.


I'll check, but if I had to guess the extra hit probably fit in better with the overall profile.
10/02/2012 09:36 PMPosted by Gistwiki
I'll check, but if I had to guess the extra hit probably fit in better with the overall profile.


That was my only reasoning as to why it might not be as good. Just wondering!

I would link the actual items but I'm not sure how. lol
10/02/2012 10:05 PMPosted by Ingrathis
I'll check, but if I had to guess the extra hit probably fit in better with the overall profile.


That was my only reasoning as to why it might not be as good. Just wondering!

I would link the actual items but I'm not sure how. lol


Start with a wowhead link, such as http://www.wowhead.com/item=89067

The number at the end is what you want. If you look at the message box and the little buttons to add things into the box at the top of the message box. Click on the sword and that'll open up a popup box. Type or paste the number into the box like so Links of the Lucid and you'll have a link to the item in your post.
Neat! Thanks.
Just curious, I was playing with Simcraft and I don't see how you come to the conclusion that haste > mastery for anyone. I ran a lot of different shamans including myself and haste was never ahead of mastery by an amount that can be considered statistically significant if it was ahead at all.
10/03/2012 04:52 PMPosted by Kanatah
Just curious, I was playing with Simcraft and I don't see how you come to the conclusion that haste > mastery for anyone. I ran a lot of different shamans including myself and haste was never ahead of mastery by an amount that can be considered statistically significant if it was ahead at all.

You'll need to post your results/references/etc then. Note it's also a general stat weighting, where it can vary depending on race/glyphs/talent choices.

You'll need to post your results/references/etc then. Note it's also a general stat weighting, where it can vary depending on race/glyphs/talent choices.


Well I was curious about someone else's results not my own. But from what I have the main determinant is in your T4 Talent choice. EM will cause mastery to become equal and EoE will cause haste to pull ahead but only slightly (again not statistically significant, i.e. it still says haste = mastery in the stat ranking on simcraft). I also see a mistake in the elemental profile that I am trying to figure out how to tweak, and I am sure when I do it will drop haste slightly. I'll post back with results when I do.

Also - 50k iterations takes forever to run on my PC so it will take awhile to do a couple.
Idk how to post the full report but here is T14N BiS, standard profile. I'm having a hard time tweaking it and I'm not sure if it is even capable of doing what I want it to do as far as opening and such whatever. Calling them mistakes in the profile is a bit over the top probably, it just isn't doing one or two things that will add to our dps.

http://i.imgur.com/DugW1.png
http://i.imgur.com/ARE9R.png

and T14H

http://i.imgur.com/co423.png
http://i.imgur.com/W8WhI.png

These are both with EoE which favors haste. 50k iterations, 400 seconds. Feel free to point out any problems in this.

You'll need to post your results/references/etc then. Note it's also a general stat weighting, where it can vary depending on race/glyphs/talent choices.


Well I was curious about someone else's results not my own. But from what I have the main determinant is in your T4 Talent choice. EM will cause mastery to become equal and EoE will cause haste to pull ahead but only slightly (again not statistically significant, i.e. it still says haste = mastery in the stat ranking on simcraft). I also see a mistake in the elemental profile that I am trying to figure out how to tweak, and I am sure when I do it will drop haste slightly. I'll post back with results when I do.

Also - 50k iterations takes forever to run on my PC so it will take awhile to do a couple.


Idk how to post the full report but here is T14N BiS, standard profile. I'm having a hard time tweaking it and I'm not sure if it is even capable of doing what I want it to do as far as opening and such whatever. Calling them mistakes in the profile is a bit over the top probably, it just isn't doing one or two things that will add to our dps.

http://i.imgur.com/DugW1.png
http://i.imgur.com/ARE9R.png

and T14H

http://i.imgur.com/co423.png
http://i.imgur.com/W8WhI.png

These are both with EoE which favors haste. 50k iterations, 400 seconds. Feel free to point out any problems in this.

Actually EM/Echo should have negligible impact on overall stat weights, it's the L90 talents that have a bigger impact.

If you look at the plots for both reports (btw, it's better to actually post the html results rather than screenshots) you'll note that Haste & Mastery swap priority multiple times, and if we make an approximate trend line of this then the lines will be roughly the same. Also, this is using Elemental Blast, which I'm pretty sure was noted to make Haste & Mastery approximately the same. If you run the same test with PE or UF then Haste will generally be better than Mastery, although you're likely to still get that same wide variance.

In short, the specified weights have to be taken in context of the plot, rather than as static values.
WTB power auras section like Liax's guide ;)
10/05/2012 08:05 PMPosted by Lif
WTB power auras section like Liax's guide ;)


Addons section coming "soon" :<
Hey Gist and Liax, i was just curious what type of ui's you guys use and also if you are continuing to use Power Auras? I've been away for awhile until this expansion so forgive me if i missed anything. I'm still pretty new to that so i would greatly enjoy any help with setting that up. I also hear weakauras works well too?

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