Attn Frost Mages Re: Elegon

Mage
Ok i had the same problem as well in frost spec. Pet freeze and frozen Orb missed the boss and pet freezes missed the Celestial defenders. My damage was crap as i could not get fingers from my pet freeze. So i switched to fire and pulled 2nd in damage just under our amazing aff lock at right about 102k with a initial burst of 170-180k plus at the start of the fight. Also during spark phase i held onto my pyro procs for the sparks. As i and many of our DPS are basicaly soloing or helping each other out. I am a sad panda that frost is either bugged or intended to be gimped on this fight. My thinking is the freeze mechanics might see the boss as a flying target and thus fail to make contact. Either way fire or arcane is the way to go for smooth spark phases and such. Good luck to you guys and trust me when i say the fight is totaly doable. And alot of fun.

Ty blizz for making raiding interesting again.
link logs as proof please m8


this is pet freeze http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-bs4rju52ls78sfui/spell/33395/
and here is frozen orb http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-bs4rju52ls78sfui/spell/84721/
It's a crazy Rube Goldbergesque way to do single-target DPS. You're using an area effect control spell cast by your pet against a single target that you know cannot be frozen in order to generate an effect on the Mage.

That's just dumb. It has nothing to do with whether it's skillful, and nothing to do with whether it's sometimes useful when you do want to hit multiple targets or when you want to freeze one or more targets. The spell is excellent when you actually want to use it for those purposes. As a single-target rotational ability? Just absurd.

An alternative pet combo that's actually designed as a single-target process and makes you feel like you're working together with your pet to do something that makes sense -- requiring similar skill to pull off, probably sharing a cooldown with Freeze -- would be a great addition. The fact that it would also solve this problem with hitting some targets is another good reason to do it.
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I just don't think I can wrap my head around how to do that while still keepin it off the gcd like pet freeze. Then you have to keep it so that you can't just macro it into every cast so as to not make it a button that might as well not exist as anythin other than a passive "you gain 1 fingers of frost proc every 20 seconds."

If you can think of somethin that fits that bill I'd love to hear it. I don't mean that rudely, I really would because I don't particularly like pet freeze in PVE. I do enjoy bein able to use pet freeze in such a way that I can get a second FoF proc, but other than that I'm really not all that in love with it and would love a change. However I'm not willin to trade it in for a macro or somethin that is fundamentally worse in the long run.
Shift-5: AoE reticule Freeze
Shift-6: Single target freeze

Shared CD
Shift-5: AoE reticule Freeze
Shift-6: Single target freeze

Shared CD


While this technically works, it does unfortunately result in a "push a button to get an FOF charge" playstyle. I'm hoping for something more creative that makes you feel like you're actually performing a move in coordination with your pet.
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Shift-5: AoE reticule Freeze
Shift-6: Single target freeze

Shared CD


While this technically works, it does unfortunately result in a "push a button to get an FOF charge" playstyle. I'm hoping for something more creative that makes you feel like you're actually performing a move in coordination with your pet.
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Simple macro that made the pet freeze just part of my action buttons. Its bound to one of my mouse buttons as it just feels natural to have it there for targeting.

#showtooltip Freeze
/cast Freeze
http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-z4co5tgq6wj49n7s/sum/damageDone/?s=5750&e=5847

Not a kill, but an attempt comprising only of phase one (Elegon & Protectors are only targets, all damage is being dealt on the floaty sparkly platform).

Freeze is not working when cast directly under Elegon, however, if your group is pulling the Protector out of the ring (which they should be), you can use Freeze on the Celestial Protector if you have the freeze touching the edge of the platform. The Protector doesn't necessarily have to be on the outside, it just has to be close enough to the edge of it so you can hit him with the freeze while the freeze is based in the outside. By doing this, you're still getting the FoF proc.
http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-z4co5tgq6wj49n7s/sum/damageDone/?s=5750&e=5847

Not a kill, but an attempt comprising only of phase one (Elegon & Protectors are only targets, all damage is being dealt on the floaty sparkly platform).

Freeze is not working when cast directly under Elegon, however, if your group is pulling the Protector out of the ring (which they should be), you can use Freeze on the Celestial Protector if you have the freeze touching the edge of the platform. The Protector doesn't necessarily have to be on the outside, it just has to be close enough to the edge of it so you can hit him with the freeze while the freeze is based in the outside. By doing this, you're still getting the FoF proc.


Thats alot of down time between having that add on the outer ring and the up time of having freeze up. Either way you look at it frost is a DPS loss to the entire raid on a fight were everyone must be pushing DPS at all time.
Lhivera, how about having a passive on our pets that gives us a FoF proc when we land a Frostbolt or FFB on our target within, say 0.1 seconds, of our pet landing a hit? Then provide this passive with an internal CD of say 15 seconds?

This way once every 15-20 seconds we might want to wait a half-second on our casts to make sure we land a primary nuke on our target at the same time as our pet to get a FoF charge.
just needs to fix pet freeze and frozen orb to hit elegon and it'll be fine. fire will always outperform it on that fight though because of stacking damage buff and combustion.
10/07/2012 03:40 AMPosted by Bitmad
just needs to fix pet freeze and frozen orb to hit elegon and it'll be fine. fire will always outperform it on that fight though because of stacking damage buff and combustion.

Like I said, Frozen Orb is not bugged. Protectors come out once every 30 seconds, the downtime between being able to use Freeze and a Protector coming out is minimal.
It looks like the latest hotfix (5.0.5) fixes the elegon issue.

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/7207170

Elegon now flies closer to the ground, allowing certain Area of Effect abilities to properly target him.
Also looks like y'all got your wish - a more sane pet spell to proc FoF than pet nova. Latest patch notes mentions a spell called, Water Jet.

Looks to be a new channeling spell for your pet, each frostbolt that hits during the channeling will result in a FoF proc.

http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1212435-Water-Jet?p=18782165#post18782165

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