Too much haste as frost spec?

Mage
How do you know when you've got too much haste? Is there some point where the return on haste diminishes?

I'm sitting at 7200 haste right now, but I'm wondering if I would do better to restore some of the secondary stats (ie - crit and mastery) on my gear.
Are you talking pve or pvp? There is huge difference for frost spec as pve should have much higher haste cap than pvp. Pvp frost is all about being crit "capped" (aka 16.66%) and then having as much mastery and spell power u can get. Haste does little to nothing for frost in pvp.
PvE
Here is the decision flowchart:

Are you a Frost mage?
[Yes]: You do not have too much haste.
[No]: Why are you using this flowchart?

AFAIK there are no breakpoints or inflection points at any plausible gear level. Haste is the best for the foreseeable future.
The way you know if you have enough haste or not is when your frostbolt gets to the 1sec GCD/1second cast time. If your frostbolt gets capped while under the effects of timewarp/icy-veins then you should be using the icy-veins glyph.

Otherwise, there is no such thing as enough haste.
Here is the decision flowchart:

Is Icy Veins glyphed?
[Yes]: You do not have too much haste.
[No]: Why are you using this flowchart?



fixed.
Okay, I think I get it now.

Cast time on my FB is 1.6 seconds right now, and when I pop icy veins it goes to 1.33 seconds.

So if I'm understanding correctly, I should not be using the icy veins glyph (which I'm not) until the cast time of my FB gets down to 1 second. As soon as I get down to a 1 second or less cast time on FB then I should glyph icy veins.

Did I get all of that right?

Also, thanks for the help!
11/29/2012 12:18 AMPosted by Delonn
Are you talking pve or pvp? There is huge difference for frost spec as pve should have much higher haste cap than pvp. Pvp frost is all about being crit "capped" (aka 16.66%) and then having as much mastery and spell power u can get. Haste does little to nothing for frost in pvp.


Not sure if serious.

So if I'm understanding correctly, I should not be using the icy veins glyph (which I'm not) until the cast time of my FB gets down to 1 second


No, you should be using the icy veins glyph period (in a raid). In dungeons, solo, scenarios, whatever, the utility of other glyphs often make them better than icy veins. The haste argument just means icy veins is MORE important. Basically, you want that +20% DAMAGE (not haste) every time you're using alter time or bloodlust.

So if I'm understanding correctly, I should not be using the icy veins glyph (which I'm not) until the cast time of my FB gets down to 1 second


No, you should be using the icy veins glyph period (in a raid). In dungeons, solo, scenarios, whatever, the utility of other glyphs often make them better than icy veins. The haste argument just means icy veins is MORE important. Basically, you want that +20% DAMAGE (not haste) every time you're using alter time or bloodlust.


This isnt actually true.

If you are not at the haste soft cap, which is still pretty easy to hit, usin the Icy Veins glyph is optional. Its better to get used to it either way, but you don't necessarily have to glyph it.
MMmmmmm Haste

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