Normal starshatter VS LFR Kilrak with gem?

Death Knight
Currently using:

http://www.wowhead.com/item=86906

and

http://www.wowhead.com/item=86789

I have the legendary gem on the first one.

The item in question now is:
http://www.wowhead.com/item=86140

For frost DK.
Simply put: What's better DPS? Stick to DW the other two (with the legendary gem) or go with the Starshatter and no gem? I have no prefrence between DW and 2H rotations and go with whatever nets the best DPS depending on my weapon(s)
2H is stronger now with all else being equal, and a 489 starshatter will beat out a 483 w/ legendary gem + 476, so switching to the starshatter will be a net gain on both fronts.
Good deal. I think I overestimate just how good that gem is so it leads to doubt.
12/12/2012 02:11 PMPosted by Poisonlilly
Good deal. I think I overestimate just how good that gem is so it leads to doubt.


Doubt leads to sha. Sha leads to loot. Loot leads to Yoda quotes. Yoda quotes lead to the dark side. :(
I disagree. Check out my setup. I have the LFR Kilrak with the sha touched gem and upgraded twice with valor points. I plan on doing this again, as my guild is still only progressing through normal HoF and this will be the best available to me until I get the actual Kilrak.

Starshatter doesn't come with ideal stats for a Frost DK.

And btw, as much as I prefer 2H over DW, DW still has a tiny edge on 2H, for whoever was saying 2H is stronger now.
If you upgraded your starshatter twice like you did with kilrak, I'm sure it would pull ahead.

Stats are good but pure weapon DPS is still your biggest increase.

Also you're right...I said 2h was stronger, but it really goes back and forth depending on gear atm. Realistically they're so close that it doesn't matter which you pick.
12/13/2012 02:25 PMPosted by Öutbreak
Starshatter doesn't come with ideal stats for a Frost DK.


Starshatter has fine stats for 2H Frost; Crit isn't terrible and Expertise is great. I don't see the problem with it.

12/13/2012 02:25 PMPosted by Öutbreak
And btw, as much as I prefer 2H over DW, DW still has a tiny edge on 2H, for whoever was saying 2H is stronger now.


2H Frost is stronger right now for the majority of players. Masterfrost pulls even with 2H Frost once you have about an ilvl of 490+, ideally with a normal Kilrak and our four-set. Any gear after that helps push Masterfrost over 2H Frost simply because of a difference in scaling between the two specs. We only really see a gap once you're wearing full BiS gear, however Masterfrost does come with the cleave benefit for a few fights.

Poisonlilly, 2H Frost will definitely be better for you with your current gear.
DW Frost just benefits in that most things that are more anti melee hurt them less than say 2 handed Frost. So I personally prefer dual wield but I'm currently playing with the 2handed Sha to assess whether or not I should go back to DW and turn it into a 2 tanking 2 hander for now.
http://www.noxxic.com/wow/dps-rankings/realistic-dps

http://www.noxxic.com/wow/dps-rankings/maximum-dps

That is a single target encounter, ran thousands of times via simcraft. There is a very small margin but based off this, my own experience, and meters I see on my server, DW seems to still be ahead.
http://www.noxxic.com/wow/dps-rankings/realistic-dps

http://www.noxxic.com/wow/dps-rankings/maximum-dps

That is a single target encounter, ran thousands of times via simcraft. There is a very small margin but based off this, my own experience, and meters I see on my server, DW seems to still be ahead.


Two things: first you're quoting data from beta, which is hilarious, and second you seem to be arguing against us by showing us data that proves our point.

As I said in the first place, Masterfrost pulls ahead with more gear simply because it scales better overall than 2H does, but it's a small gap until BiS heroic gear. However, Masterfrost has downtime issues without enough Haste to sustain itself, which is why 2H Frost pulls ahead at lower gear levels.
Also even then it's still gear dependent. Having more haste & crit benefits 2 handed. Having more mastery benefits Master Frost. So one's gear can easily sway though small amount of %'s in dps. Even randomness of overall procs can have one appear ahead of another. I'd only point out that with equal gear for example a fight like Feng that can require melee to not be able to be in melee range at certain points would favor Master Frost slightly. While it's not a giant advantage it's one regardless. Also since strength amplifies our frost damage by a decent value overall it does let DW Master Frosts damage slightly pull ahead over time as gear increases. This is not a game breaking lead but one regardless.
the only reason 2H exceeds DW at lower gear levels is because 2H scales best with haste and far better than DW does with it. A frost DK gets a lot of haste even at low gear levels so you already have a lot of your main stat where as mastery doesn't start out as high.

Once you do get gear though i recommend going DW. It does around the same on single target fights but it does a lot more damage on anything with a cleave and theres another plus in that it has more focus in ranged attacks (howling blast) so if your stuck at range you can still do some dmg.
Go with the higher item level weapon setup. Plain and simple. The two specs/styles are so close at this point that higher relative weapon DPS will probably yield more single target DPS.

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