The war up north

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Ummm the Tides of darkness novel?


I ment links..
That's been retcon in the book Tides Of Darkness. Only a few months passed before the war.


The "official" timeline in 2010 still said 6 years. The main updated unofficial timeline also says 6 years.

http://www.wowwiki.com/Timeline_(from_official_site,_2010)
http://www.wowwiki.com/Timeline_(unofficial)
The novel books says a few months. Quick someone with a twitter account tweet chris metzen.
This is stuff that could make the Alliance's story interesting, since it's an Alliance and not a unified state. The EK Alliance and the Kalimdor Alliance arguing over where they should place their focus.

Picture Tyrande and Muradin arguing over the subject.


Conflicts in politics is only natural, it seems odd that the Alliance get along so well... its like the leadership is just a placeholder or they are secretly robots... but only gnomes have those... to maybe... oh my god! We must alert the media!
sweet jesus the alliance is just a front...a facade to decieve the world from its true enemy....gnomes....
Think of it this way. Lordearon was Rome at it's height. Rome for all it strength fell and smaller countries start to develop from its corpse. The only part of rome that was left after the fall was the Byzantine empire. Stormwind is Azerorth Byzantine empire. Powerful but never with enough numbers to retake their former lands from the barbarian horde. Why? Because bigger threat kept showing up. The Byzantine empire had to vanquish the Persian once and for all the content Mohammed and his Muslim horde from completely over taking europa. That is the lich king to Stormwind.


That's where you are wrong. During Wrath, we have seen plenty of human military battalion, as told in the quest leading to the DK in Borean Tundra and Cata as shown that most if not all of those force are back in human land.

In Landfall, we see Alliance force, not Human force in battle. As a matter of fact, the ratio human/other races is quite low and seem to be mostly part of the navy.

Taking into account that Human is the most populous races in Azeroth (with the possible exception of the Troll), that it's navy force is busy in Pandaria and that the Infantry Force is mostly in at home without mean to send them abroad since the navy is busy, It would be eady to send a 3 or 4 thousand men throught the Tram and dwarf land all the way to the tandol span.

So we would have a 2 side attack, SW Human on the front side, Gilnean Worgen on the back as a kind of resistance force.

Also, since the end of Cata, the Wildhammer are back in the game on Alliance side, Opening a 3rth Front from Hinderland.

And since Horde Force are all pointed at Pandaria as Garrosh said in the Horde cinematic, it could be a Fatal strike at the Forsaken even more if Human Alchemist have taken the time to analyse the plaque and create a vaccin or a neutralysing agent.

Taking into account that Human is the most populous races in Azeroth (with the possible exception of the Troll), that it's navy force is busy in Pandaria and that the Infantry Force is mostly in at home without mean to send them abroad since the navy is busy, It would be eady to send a 3 or 4 thousand men throught the Tram and dwarf land all the way to the tandol span.


Nice to hear that you think there are infinity humans and they can attack everywhere at once. Strange that they didn't win Andorhol with these infinite armies they have....

Taking into account that Human is the most populous races in Azeroth (with the possible exception of the Troll), that it's navy force is busy in Pandaria and that the Infantry Force is mostly in at home without mean to send them abroad since the navy is busy, It would be eady to send a 3 or 4 thousand men throught the Tram and dwarf land all the way to the tandol span.


Nice to hear that you think there are infinity humans and they can attack everywhere at once. Strange that they didn't win Andorhol with these infinite armies they have....


Maybe because it was mostly militia and they weren't prepared for the Val'kry. Eh, just a thought i'm throwing out there...

Nice to hear that you think there are infinity humans and they can attack everywhere at once. Strange that they didn't win Andorhol with these infinite armies they have....


Maybe because it was mostly militia and they weren't prepared for the Val'kry. Eh, just a thought i'm throwing out there...


Why did they send a pitiful militia to fight a war with no support RIGHT next to Undercity if they had any real army that wasn't fully engaged somewhere? SW is stretched too thin worldwide to go solo a fortified Horde capitol.

Also, UC can get reinforcements VERY FAST if under attack. Via portals deep below, and if that's blocked somehow, Silvermoon is pretty close.
Here's an idea..
We all know that there is something unknown about Trisfal, and many go as far as to say that there is an Old God beneath the land there.

So how about this; Not in patch 5.3, but instead a starter to another expansion, the War in the North does resume but is interrupted when an Old God DOES emerge from beneath the war between the Alliance and Horde.
Here's an idea..
We all know that there is something unknown about Trisfal, and many go as far as to say that there is an Old God beneath the land there.

So how about this; Not in patch 5.3, but instead a starter to another expansion, the War in the North does resume but is interrupted when an Old God DOES emerge from beneath the war between the Alliance and Horde.

I think Blizzard explicitly said once that that evil presence beneath Tirisfal isn't an Old God.
I think Blizzard explicitly said once that that evil presence beneath Tirisfal isn't an Old God.


Eh, it was just an idea. I do think we ought to find out what lies beneath Trisfal, though.
Also, UC can get reinforcements VERY FAST if under attack. Via portals deep below, and if that's blocked somehow, Silvermoon is pretty close.


Silvermoon may be pretty close, but it's geographically cut off from Undercity by the Argents and the Ebons. They'd have to reinforce Undercity by portal, or not at all.
03/22/2013 05:35 AMPosted by Kanetsugu
I think Blizzard explicitly said once that that evil presence beneath Tirisfal isn't an Old God.


Eh, it was just an idea. I do think we ought to find out what lies beneath Trisfal, though.


We, the players, know there is something under Tirisfal Glade. Our characters don't know this. No one knows this in game.
03/22/2013 05:50 AMPosted by Gibbons
Also, UC can get reinforcements VERY FAST if under attack. Via portals deep below, and if that's blocked somehow, Silvermoon is pretty close.


Silvermoon may be pretty close, but it's geographically cut off from Undercity by the Argents and the Ebons. They'd have to reinforce Undercity by portal, or not at all.


Don't forget the portal from UC to SMC is in the upper courtyard so it could be cut offf fairly easily.
03/21/2013 09:51 PMPosted by Ironrider
Think of it this way. Lordearon was Rome at it's height. Rome for all it strength fell and smaller countries start to develop from its corpse. The only part of rome that was left after the fall was the Byzantine empire. Stormwind is Azerorth Byzantine empire. Powerful but never with enough numbers to retake their former lands from the barbarian horde. Why? Because bigger threat kept showing up. The Byzantine empire had to vanquish the Persian once and for all the content Mohammed and his Muslim horde from completely over taking europa. That is the lich king to Stormwind.


That's where you are wrong. During Wrath, we have seen plenty of human military battalion, as told in the quest leading to the DK in Borean Tundra and Cata as shown that most if not all of those force are back in human land.

In Landfall, we see Alliance force, not Human force in battle. As a matter of fact, the ratio human/other races is quite low and seem to be mostly part of the navy.

Taking into account that Human is the most populous races in Azeroth (with the possible exception of the Troll), that it's navy force is busy in Pandaria and that the Infantry Force is mostly in at home without mean to send them abroad since the navy is busy, It would be eady to send a 3 or 4 thousand men throught the Tram and dwarf land all the way to the tandol span.

So we would have a 2 side attack, SW Human on the front side, Gilnean Worgen on the back as a kind of resistance force.

Also, since the end of Cata, the Wildhammer are back in the game on Alliance side, Opening a 3rth Front from Hinderland.

And since Horde Force are all pointed at Pandaria as Garrosh said in the Horde cinematic, it could be a Fatal strike at the Forsaken even more if Human Alchemist have taken the time to analyse the plaque and create a vaccin or a neutralysing agent.


Did you know after wrath we lost over 50k soldiers? That 50k men that was armored and well trained. Do you know the Alliance as a whole already have a second front opened up? It's in outland even if the main army is not there. There is still a sizable force there in case the legions return.

Oh and lets talk about the renew fighting for a year or so in cata when alliance and horde engage all over the place? The only they tried a two prong attack then too. They were able to make head way into barren but was completely routed in gilneas aka the north by their elite fighting force.

And now the 7th have been pulled away from the gilnean front to engage the horde on pandaria.

If you were a citizens of lordearon you still have plauged animals attacking you. Stormwind people were defeated. There is only a token alliance up north , however the real hero of the plauglands so far are the argent crusades who are now their own independent governing body. If I was a citizen of the north after tens years with no help from the alliance. I'd swear fealty to tiron fordring at least showed that he is not afriad to commit forces in the north and even choose to live there, Stormwind can barely garrison duskwood elwynn westfall and lakshire. So where do these well train soldiers that they have to spare?
Where do you take these number?

Wowpedia said that after the 3rd war, human population was about 100k.

Sylvanas herself said that she was worried by the possiblility of a attack on Undercity while all the Horde attention are turn to Pandaria.
The book wolfhearts I believe. They held a vigil for the humans lost in bringing down the lich king. 50k was the numbers quoted.

Wowpedia info on numbers are no longer accurate.
I thought it was the Shattering.

It is in the Shattering. And there wasn't an exact number of Alliance casualties, but Jaina's estimate was between 20,000 and 50,000. "Twenty, thirty--perhaps forty or fifty thousand people... dead." (Page 73 of the paperback version)

Silvermoon may be pretty close, but it's geographically cut off from Undercity by the Argents and the Ebons. They'd have to reinforce Undercity by portal, or not at all.


Well, if every single neutral faction suddenly attacked the Horde for no reason, then the Horde would be pretty easy to beat. BTW, are all the trash mobs and critters in the zone going to be joining the Alliance as well?

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