gender roles for night elves

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In wc3 it seemed like all warriors were women and all the males were druids asleep in the emerald dream are all player characters too young to be in those defined roles or was that just for gameplay reasons
gameplay and gameplay alone.
They started letting males become priests and females become druids after the 3rd war. Ysera doesn't agree, she wanted male night elves all to herself in the dream.
They started letting males become priests and females become druids after the 3rd war. Ysera doesn't agree, she wanted male night elves all to herself in the dream.


Ysera doesn't swing that way.
Sentinels are mostly women...even the leader (Shandris Feathermoon).
gameplay and gameplay alone.

No, it's a lore thing too. There's a small statue you can get through archaeology that features the first male priest and first female druid.

Not sure why it'd be in archaeology since the gender roles have only lightened up recently but still.
In wc3 it seemed like all warriors were women and all the males were druids asleep in the emerald dream are all player characters too young to be in those defined roles or was that just for gameplay reasons


This isn't Warhammer online.
03/21/2013 08:50 PMPosted by Reignac
gameplay and gameplay alone.

No, it's a lore thing too. There's a small statue you can get through archaeology that features the first male priest and first female druid.

Not sure why it'd be in archaeology since the gender roles have only lightened up recently but still.
yes, lore altered to fit gameplay. Breaking down gender roles isn't too terribly difficult as a majority of Druids are still male and a majority of warriors are still female.
03/21/2013 08:50 PMPosted by Reignac
gameplay and gameplay alone.

No, it's a lore thing too. There's a small statue you can get through archaeology that features the first male priest and first female druid.

Not sure why it'd be in archaeology since the gender roles have only lightened up recently but still.


That's only so in a few years they can phase the woman folk into cooking where they belong. Totes their plan.
03/21/2013 09:37 PMPosted by Ferlion

No, it's a lore thing too. There's a small statue you can get through archaeology that features the first male priest and first female druid.

Not sure why it'd be in archaeology since the gender roles have only lightened up recently but still.


That's only so in a few years they can phase the woman folk into cooking where they belong. Totes their plan.


That's what all those scandalous silk night gowns are for.
03/21/2013 08:50 PMPosted by Reignac
gameplay and gameplay alone.

No, it's a lore thing too. There's a small statue you can get through archaeology that features the first male priest and first female druid.

Not sure why it'd be in archaeology since the gender roles have only lightened up recently but still.


But the lore followed the gameplay. In WCIII the gender divide was very clear and very rigid. Blizzard made the executive decision to allow both genders to be any class as a gameplay role, and have since re-written the lore to match.
That's what all those scandalous silk night gowns are for.


I mean...they aren't immortal anymore. They gotta learn to set the mood.

*cue cheesy romantic music*
03/21/2013 11:20 PMPosted by Jaelara

No, it's a lore thing too. There's a small statue you can get through archaeology that features the first male priest and first female druid.

Not sure why it'd be in archaeology since the gender roles have only lightened up recently but still.


But the lore followed the gameplay. In WCIII the gender divide was very clear and very rigid. Blizzard made the executive decision to allow both genders to be any class as a gameplay role, and have since re-written the lore to match.

I'm not arguing that, but the original statement was "gameplay and gameplay alone." There is lore for it.
Which always struck me as strange, as Night Elves are a gender dimorphic species like humans, and that means that the males would be a degree more physically powerful as fighters due to higher muscle mass (Which is clearly evident from the size differences in the male and female Night Elves). But whatever floats their proverbial.
Which always struck me as strange, as Night Elves are a gender dimorphic species like humans, and that means that the males would be a degree more physically powerful as fighters due to higher muscle mass (Which is clearly evident from the size differences in the male and female Night Elves). But whatever floats their proverbial.


Priesthood reasons.

Also, while the men may be bigger, that doesn't actually account for muscle density.
03/22/2013 12:25 AMPosted by Ferlion
Which always struck me as strange, as Night Elves are a gender dimorphic species like humans, and that means that the males would be a degree more physically powerful as fighters due to higher muscle mass (Which is clearly evident from the size differences in the male and female Night Elves). But whatever floats their proverbial.


Priesthood reasons.

Also, while the men may be bigger, that doesn't actually account for muscle density.


There's NO reason why Night Elf females would have denser muscle than males. At all.
There's NO reason why Night Elf females would have denser muscle than males. At all.


Except that they've been doing the fighting for the last 10,000 years.

Sorry, but that alone is a reason.
03/22/2013 12:40 AMPosted by Ferlion
There's NO reason why Night Elf females would have denser muscle than males. At all.


Except that they've been doing the fighting for the last 10,000 years.

Sorry, but that alone is a reason.


10,000 years isn't enough to tip the balance. Especially when the race is immortal and that doesn't constitute many generations.

Also, density wouldn't be the outcome of that much fighting. It would be more muscle mass. Muscle density tends to be more prevalent as a result of high pressure on the body from, say, water. And results in shortness. And it would also show a decrease in the muscle mass of the males if they are not fighting. Which isn't evident in the slightest.

Sorry, but no.
10,000 years isn't enough to tip the balance. Especially when the race is immortal and that doesn't constitute many generations.


A couple of generations in addition to training on the other hand, is.

However, dense muscles are generally superior to large muscles, so no, it really wouldn't. Muscle mass isn't really that great. It's not only cumbersome, it restricts movement, isn't anywhere near as efficient when it comes to blood flow, and is generally inferior to dense muscles when it comes to mechanics.

It DOES however look more impressive, at the cost of function. Muscle mass is mostly fluid, whereas muscle density is the actual muscle itself.

Males have big muscles. The woman don't. But big muscles are inferior to dense muscles when it comes to strength and endurance.

It's why a 50 pound dog is so much stronger than a 50 pound human. Animal muscle density is just so much greater than it is in humans. In fact, to build muscle mass, you lift small weights, with lots of reps. To build dense muscle, you lift heavy.

Density=strength. Not mass.

Which is why Orc's being so strong is so ridiculous.
03/22/2013 01:21 AMPosted by Ferlion
10,000 years isn't enough to tip the balance. Especially when the race is immortal and that doesn't constitute many generations.


A couple of generations in addition to training on the other hand, is.

However, dense muscles are generally superior to large muscles, so no, it really wouldn't. Muscle mass isn't really that great. It's not only cumbersome, it restricts movement, isn't anywhere near as efficient when it comes to blood flow, and is generally inferior to dense muscles when it comes to mechanics.

It DOES however look more impressive, at the cost of function. Muscle mass is mostly fluid, whereas muscle density is the actual muscle itself.

Males have big muscles. The woman don't. But big muscles are inferior to dense muscles when it comes to strength and endurance.

It's why a 50 pound dog is so much stronger than a 50 pound human. Animal muscle density is just so much greater than it is in humans. In fact, to build muscle mass, you lift small weights, with lots of reps. To build dense muscle, you lift heavy.

Density=strength. Not mass.

Which is why Orc's being so strong is so ridiculous.


But there is NO reason why a Night Elf female would have denser muscle AS A RULE, than the males. Regardless of training. Females of mammal species (Based on humans) have 40-60% the upper body strength of men, and 70-75% the lower body strength. Also note, that athletes have different standards in competition scoring, and female standards are far lower than those of males. Because each gender has identical muscle density compared to one another as standard. Which has not been affected by the dozens of generations that humans have been around at all. Because Night Elves are clearly mammals, and they possess pretty much identical anatomy to humans, there's no reason to think there's a difference unless you like unjustifiable reversal of gender dimorphism.

So it's a waste of !@#$ing time training females for fighting, when males are larger, develop muscle faster, have far greater lung and heart capacity and have a higher tolerance for pain. That's my main point. Sure, you can do it, and there will always be exceptions, but not nearly enough to counter the fact that your soldiers are at a biological disadvantage out of the gate.

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