Ret is Worthless...thank you development team

Paladin
Wrath Ret had promise

Ret where gods in wrath which is what attracted so many mongoloids like you to our class. I've played ret since like 3 months after the game was released and Ide honestly prefer to never get any buffs if it will ultimately make at least a fraction of the retards who play ret quit or reroll
The only thing worthless in this thread, is the OP's post
04/19/2013 01:52 PMPosted by Mallaki
Wrath Ret had promise
attracted so many mongoloids


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04/19/2013 01:52 PMPosted by Mallaki
Wrath Ret had promise

Ret where gods in wrath which is what attracted so many mongoloids like you to our class. I've played ret since like 3 months after the game was released and Ide honestly prefer to never get any buffs if it will ultimately make at least a fraction of the retards who play ret quit or reroll


Vanilla Ret was awful and painful. Be happy they made changes.
From the perspective of a PvPer who does a lot of BGs, Ret right now is probably in the best place I've ever seen it (mostly balanced + very fun). I'm having a BLAST playing Ret, and I like what Ret is made to be -- a support class that can burst every few minutes.

While I'm susceptable to CC, have limited CC myself and can't dish out the pain as often as a pure DPS class, I can single-handedly save the day and that to me is what a Pally truly is. We are the white knights in shining armor.

The upcoming buff is a nice addition. We're currently in a very good place for BGs. Can't comment on other places.
lol, a few intelligent responses, not many, WOW was a much better place 3 years ago then it is now. The forums were a place where concerns and ideas where shared and discussed. It is now a place for name calling and immature responses all designed to do what?

Every class should have a shot at meaningful DPS. The bottom line is in Warth ret had a shot at TOP DPS now there is no chance. Wait until you get a 250,000 hit from the other classes next to your outstanding 180,000.

REt has now been designed to be mid level. It was not before. The developers should just say that is their plan and say if you want a chance at better DPS go level this or that class.

The intelligent responses create a desire to stay with the game, the others confirm it is a good time to go. I sort of feel sorry for those that cannot interact with a post with intelligence because you know their life must be full of conflict and sarcasm.

You that stay have a right to ask the developers why they do the things they do. Every other game sysytem does it.


What crack are you smoking? The forums have never been a friendly or helpful community. Forums are a congregation of trolls, asshats and dicks and have been that way since the days of everquest and ultima online.

All I hear out of you is "waaaah, I'm terrible at ret and want the one button macro faceroll I had in wrath!". This switches to "you guys are just mean, sniff" when everyone tells you to !@#$ and learn to play.
Vanilla Ret was awful and painful. Be happy they made changes.


You mean you didn't like pvp being a right click and a prayer that Seal of Casino procced in AV while you waited around for your guild MC run that consisted of you in the back on auto follow hitting BoM, BoW or BoSanc 40 times every 4 minutes and cleanse bottling on Luci?

Those were awesome times amirite?
04/19/2013 01:11 PMPosted by Chyron
REt has now been designed to be mid level. It was not before. The developers should just say that is their plan and say if you want a chance at better DPS go level this or that class.

Everything is designed to be mid-level. The ones that end up not being so are because devs screw up.

WotLK Ret was also designed to be mid-level too, we were just one of the screw-ups that time around because the class needed SO much revamping after TBC, and they overshot. And yet, a few patches later, we were pretty much middle of the pack again, and even had a number of glaring weaknesses (no snare, no interrupt, one of the worst ramp-ups around, etc). And this is the era you're holding up as a golden age.

If "not at the top" is a synonym for "worthless" to you, you should probably find another class. Or really, another game. Or... hm, another planet might be needed, really.
I personally liked seal of command after Ret got Crusader Strike and other things to support it


Fixed that for you
You mean you didn't like pvp being a right click and a prayer that Seal of Casino procced in AV while you waited around for your guild MC run that consisted of you in the back on auto follow hitting BoM, BoW or BoSanc 40 times every 4 minutes and cleanse bottling on Luci?

Those were awesome times amirite?


You sir just described an exact raid night I had one night lol. And after the raid I went back into the same AV that was going on before the raid.

Good times, good times.
Do you have any chocolate chip muffins?

I prefer Banana nut muffins
It makes no sense why the developers play a yo-yo game with their subscribers. Nerf and buff all for what goal? It has always been hoped that the goal was once you gear you become equal with the other classes and then it boils down to your skill at the keys.
In Wrath Ret had promise, and now despite all the promises to make it a viable class it hasn’t happened. We have once in a while burst, the idea they improved our survivability with the last patch wasn’t all that true, and our DPS basically stinks compared to all the other classes with the same gear level.
The big question is if the developers have a plan for skill, once geared, to be the deciding factor, why do they make changes that basically down grade a classes’ ability so drastically? You cannot tell me that when they came up with the configuration for RET that they didn’t know it would put us at the bottom of the DPS charts? Not only at the bottom of the DPS charts but with no hope of surviving against another DPS class in BG’s or Arena’s with the same gear, even if the opponent has lessor skill.
I am not sure if the Developers have a clue about the impact on their subscribers. What is the subscription bleed lately? 6 million down? I am leaving this time to check back every patch to see if there is a change or at least until they trash holy power -------.


I'm gonna assume you have other gear for PvE that gets you to the Hit/Exp cap for Melee DPS...

So, Ret is very viable for PvE DPS if you know your rotation and manage you HP properly.

Take one of my guildies as an example:

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/doomhammer/Elesiana/simple

This is, IMO, a great example of a well geared, gemmed, enchated, reforged Ret.

She routinely runs 85-90k DPS in Raids. Noxxic show that 502 Ret should realistically turn about 112k. Ret is GEAR and ROTATION dependent. If managing you rotation in PvE is your struggle, there are good addons to assist with it.

As for PvP...I don't do it, don't like it, don't care about it...seek further insight from others
Well, I honestly disagree with a lot of you. Ret dps is showing on the charts to be low. Just cause you whoop butt on your lfr adventures doesn't change that fact. However, it doesn't make the class nonviable by any means. I agree with the utility, however, the fact remains there is no reason to bring a ret for utility when you could bring a holy paladin or prot paladin, who both excel very well at their roles and bring that same utility. If your going to have a paladin in your group, a prot or holy will fulfill that role much better than a ret. I think blizzard agrees with this, as the upcoming buff looks pretty good for ret dmg wise.
The only bright spot in Vanilla was before they nerfed seal of the crusader... That and reckoning bombs.
tl;dr
04/20/2013 12:13 AMPosted by Digitalimage
however, the fact remains there is no reason to bring a ret for utility when you could bring a holy paladin or prot paladin, who both excel very well at their roles and bring that same utility. If your going to have a paladin in your group, a prot or holy will fulfill that role much better than a ret.


This is an ignorant statement as far as PvE is concerned, and needs to STOP. It's not a fact, it's an opinion.

Ret is fine on most fights ( middle of the pack ), but it has a few fights this tier where it just does poorly, mostly because of fight design. The utility is great on most fights, and having 2 paladins is a HUGE help for progression.

I think they are buffing Ret partly because it will fall behind at higher gear levels, in combination with the few fights Ret is just horrible on.
It's actual dps output is not in a bad spot, and the 15% buff to SoL is likely to push Ret into consistent upper mid or higher on most fights, which isn't intended design.
04/20/2013 12:13 AMPosted by Digitalimage
Ret dps is showing on the charts to be low.


What charts? Charts from your actual raid with a Ret that knows how to play? If not, then I wouldn't pay too much attention to what the top 1-2% of the raiders are doing. Nor would I seek to be viable through sims. LFR meters are just as pointless as logs and charts that don't directly include you. There are enough people doing well with the spec that makes me believe that most of the problems with Ret are suboptimal playstyle from the individuals themselves. The class could use some tweaks here and there, or a massive overhaul, but it's hardly worthless.

'The charts' don't interest me. People should stop looking to them as gospel, it's embarrassing.

We're getting a buff. But so are the 2 hunters in my raid group. And the two rogues I raid with just got buffs. Should I be sad that my DPS is lower than theirs? Probably as sad as they are that they can't utilatilafy (it's a word, trust me) the raid like a bawss. We all have our roles in a raid group. If you can smash the DPS meters and be a utility machine, more power to you.

I think the biggest issue is that people rolled a Paladin when they should have picked a different class.
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'The charts' don't interest me. People should stop looking to them as gospel, it's embarrassing.

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I think the biggest issue is that people rolled a Paladin when they should have picked a different class.


Quoted for truth. Mindless face-smashing is for Warriors; mindless face-rolling is for DKs. Sort yourselves accordingly, people.

04/20/2013 05:03 AMPosted by Carbuncle
It's actual dps output is not in a bad spot


Technically relevant semantics point, but do you mean actual DPS or raw damage? Because there is a very fine difference, and the raw damage number is the far more important one to look at - a fact many seem to either forget, or of which are completely ignorant.

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